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Fresh-Air Poultry Houses

by Prince T. Woods
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Success With Baby Chicks

by Robert Plamondon
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Gardening Without Work

by Ruth Stout
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Ten Acres Enough

by Edmund Morris
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Feeding Poultry

by G.F. Heuser
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Coccidiosis on pasture? Impossible!

by Robert

Man, I thought I'd seen everything. But this one's weird. The life cycle of coccidiosis is interrupted if you move the chickens to a new patch of ground every day. Coccidiosis is a in intestinal protozoan parasite, and it depends on infecting and reinfecting the victims through feces. Not just any feces, either -- feces that has been aged enough but not too much. The coccidia in the poop aren't ready to reinfect the birds until they go through a life-cycle change, which takes about three days. With daily-move pasture pens, you leave yesterdays poop behind before (to get technical about it) the oocysts can sporulate.

Well, it's not working with one pasture pen of broilers. This has never happened to us before. Our best guess is that the chicks we were getting from Jenks Hatchery all these years had received the coccidiosis vaccine and we didn't know it, while this year's ones from Privett didn't get it. If they got a good solid infestation in the brooder house, maybe it keeps getting worse for a while even with daily moves on the pasture. Don't know for sure.

Anyway, the symptoms were the usual: pinkish spots on the poop (that's blood, ewww!), listless chicks with dirty feathers.

Also, the fix was the usual, and seems to be working fine: Switch to medicated chick starter. Works like a charm, and the chicks look a lot perkier already.

Some people don't like medication -- they dislike it so much that they'd let their chickens suffer and die rather than cure them. I hate that.

I think that over-medication is silly and is also bad form, but coccidiosis is no joke. We do what we can to prevent it, including the deep-litter system in the brooder house and daily moves on pasture, but when prevention doesn't work, one needs to go to the cure without hesitation.

Anyway, the chicks are doing better, and that's the main thing!

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Comment from: Troy Griepentrog [Visitor] · http://www.motherearthnews.com
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Robert,

I'm really enjoying the blog. Nice work!

I've heard of different home remedies for coccidiosis, such as mixing yogurt and/or apple cider vinegar with drinking water. Any thoughts on these?

Thanks,

Troy
06/02/08 @ 11:56
Comment from: Robert [Member] · http://www.plamondon.com
I've heard of different home remedies for coccidiosis, such as mixing yogurt and/or apple cider vinegar with drinking water. Any thoughts on these?


Troy,

Sadly, they don't work, and they distract people from other non-chemical methods with a better track record.

What works well, besides drugs, is anything that breaks the cycle of reinfection via feces. Just putting chicks on free range that hasn't seen other poultry for a while works pretty well, because there's more attractive forage than feces available. Wire-floored brooders are also good. The manure falls through out of reach.

I think that what got us into trouble was our practice of hot-bunking in our brooder house (a new batch of chicks goes in immediately after the old one goes out). Stirring the litter generally and stirring in hydrated lime at 1 pound per 10 square feet helps a lot (coccidia don't like an alkaline environment, and burying them makes them inaccessible to the chicks and vice versa), and we should have done this between the two batches, but didn't.
06/02/08 @ 15:32

Sweet, Sweet Compost: The Hydrated Lime Trick

by Robert

Here's an old trick that might help you: if you sprinkle hydrated lime on top of your compost heap, pets and wildlife won't dig it up, flies won't land there, and there will be no smell.

Not that compost heaps are supposed to smell if you do it right, but our compost heap has broiler-processing waste in it -- such as blood, feathers, and offal -- which are mighty tempting to your average raccoon. Trowel on some hydrated lime, and voila! Problem solved.

This came to mind when our dalmatian, Sammi, went for an unauthorized dig in the compost heap. Yuck! Shame on us for forgetting the lime.

Hydrated lime should be available in any building supply or farm store. Feed stores carry it for some reason -- don't ask me. It's a slightly caustic, very fine powder, so don't get it in your eyes when you use it. It doubles as a soil amendment. It's good for your compost heap.

I've also used it for hen repellent. The hens don't like it, but it doesn't seem to cause them any distress. They just avoid areas with a heavy dusting of hydrated lime. I use it to make them stop laying in inappropriate places. (I discovered this by accident; I thought it would be a good thing to add to a dust bath, but they avoided it instead.)

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Rural High-Speed Internet

by Robert

My satellite TV signal is going south on me, so I've ordered a new antenna. The old one is an ancient Hughes "DirecPC" antenna, which got me thinking about rural high-speed Internet.

When I first returned to Oregon, I used dial-up. It was painfully slow and consumed a phone line. I quickly switched to DirecPC (now HughesNet), which was a huge improvement. No comparison. I got satellite TV at the same time, using the same antenna for both.

Satellite Internet works in places that have no phone service, which is useful for people who are way out yonder. This doesn't apply to me, though.

While satellite Internet is a lot better than dial-up,it's a lot worse than DSL. The reason is that a signal going up to a geosynchronous satellite and back again has to travel over 50,000 miles, which adds a delay amounting to a significant fraction of a second to everything you do. If your phone lines can support DSL, that's what you want. This is true even if the local DSL service is slower. That is, a 768 kpbs satellite link is a lot slower in practice than a 768 kbps DSL link.

People in town can also opt for cable Internet or various forms of wireless Internet served by local antenna towers, but these are typically not available in rural areas.

DSL piggybacks onto an existing phone line in a way that's invisible to your telephone, so you can use your phone and Internet at the same time.

No one is allowed to use my computer but me. This means that I have to provide the kids with their own computers. With high-speed Internet, everyone can connect to the Internet simultaneously, without fighting over the use of the link. I have Ethernet cables running all over the house to hook everything up. Wireless is easier, though it may not give adequate coverage over the whole house. Inevitably, the room that's the most impossible to reach with a cable is the one that can't receive a wireless signal, either. My recommendation for DSL: get a DSL modem that supports both wired and wireless access between itself and your PCs.

Modern computers all have Ethernet ports as standard equipment; just plug in the cable. For wireless, you need a wireless adapter that plugs into a USB port into a slot in the PC.

Speaking of PCs, folks in the country are often subjected to frequent power outages. The most convenient way to deal with this is to use a laptop computer rather than a desktop system. Laptops have batteries and will continue running for a couple of hours after the power fails. This is far more run time than you get with a desktop system and an affordable UPS (uninterruptible power supply). This may not be practical for anyone interested in state-of-the-art games on their PC. Laptops capable of such things aren't very affordable.

I have found that both desktops and laptops work well off a generator. If you want to combine a UPS and generator use (which makes sense, since it means your desktop systems won't crash when the generator runs out of gas), I recommend the APC Smart-UPS line, which is better-suited to generator use than other UPS systems. Other UPS units I've tried freak out at the least little voltage deviation and switch to battery, exhausting their batteries even when the generator is running. The Smart-UPS doesn't do this.

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Crows, Hoophouses, Predator Control.

by Robert

Our local crows discovered a loose piece of hardware cloth in of our portable hoophouses and killed about a dozen young broilers. I need to update my hoophouse page to point out that we've made all our broiler houses burglar-proof, with chicken wire covering the whole thing, and hardware cloth over the chicken wire near the bottom to keep raccoons from reaching in and grabbing broilers.

While there's a lot of romantic nonsense about country life being just like a petting zoo or a Little Golden Book, that hasn't been my experience. If we don't react to predators right away, all our chickens will soon be dead. We've tightened up the house. So far, so good.

Last year I had a lot of trouble from crows. I tried everything. What worked was shooting a few of them. The word got out and the rest stayed away. I was sad that scarecrows didn't work, because I like the look of a field with a scarecrow in it. (Maybe I'll set a couple up as a fashion accessory, rather than for any better reason.)

The neighbors report quite a bit of coyote activity, so I suppose it's time to start patrolling the perimeter fence again. It turned out, rather to my surprise, that finding predator trails is trivially simple even if there isn't a trail of feathers from stolen chickens. All you have to do is look. Then you use the intervention of your choice.

My personal preference is live and let live, which is why my electric fence is my first line of defense. I'm okay with zillions of predators crossing my property so long as they leave my livestock alone. But the ones that cross my electric fence are showing an excessively high level of motivation and constancy of purpose. With these, the first choice is to exclude them (maybe the fence is too high or too low or doesn't have enough voltage, and fixing this will exclude the predator and all his friends). If that doesn't work, shooting is second best and trapping is third.

Lots of people would phrase that last part to be, "Trapping is the method of last resort," but that implies hesitancy, and when you hesitate in the face of predators, more of your critters get killed. Responding quickly is very important.

I've found snares to be very effective when used sensibly. I don't like leg-hold traps. I've found Hal Sullivan's Web page to be very informative, and I've used his snare kits and benefited from the DVD that comes with them. The main thing to do is to identify trails used only by the predators eating your chickens, and set a snare in that place only. You don't want to go setting them in the local equivalent of Grand Central Station; you're after specific animals, usually a single individual.

With pastured poultry, placing the snares inside the electric fence pretty much guarantees that you won't be catching innocent bystanders.

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Privett "Slow Cornish" Broilers -- So Far, So Good

by Robert

Karen makes all the decisions on the broiler side of the farm. (Actually, she's in charge of almost everything, these days.) Two years ago, she experimented with the "Freedom Ranger" broilers, which gave mixed results. These were supposed to be more like standard-breed chickens, which they were, with all that this implies, good and bad (which I may go into later).

For many years we got our modern, hybrid broiler chicks locally, from Jenks' Hatchery in Tangent, Oregon. This worked very well for us, and we had our operation tuned to the strengths and weaknesses of the modern hybrid broiler. These broilers grow like weeds but are lethargic and "don't act like real chickens" after the first few weeks.

Well, Freedom Rangers went out of business. Jenks' Hatchery has been mothballed after losing their contract with Draper Valley, so we were forced to try something new.

Karen turned to Privett Hatchery in Portales, New Mexico, which is where we always buy our egg-type pullets. At the moment we're using their "Slow Cornish" broilers, a white-feathered, broad-breasted hybrid broiler that looks like a modern broiler but acts more like a real chicken (active and alert).

So far, they seem to be on the growth curve in Table 20-10 of the the 1991 edition of "Commercial Chicken Production Manual," which puts them in the right ballpark. They're only 6 weeks old right now, and the few we butchered dressed out at 2 lbs. This is too small, of course, but we expect 3.5 lbs. at 8 weeks and 5.75 lbs. at 12 weeks.

This is way faster than standard-breed broilers, which dress out at 2 lbs. at 8 weeks and 3 lbs. at 12 weeks -- if you're lucky. I think it's also faster growth than the Freedom Rangers provided, though I'd have to dig up Karen's records to be sure.

So far, so good. It's a little early to tell at 6 weeks just how they'll turn out, but I have a good feeling about these broilers. I recommend Privett Hatchery. They're very good.

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Comment from: Don [Visitor]
I have about 50 broilers and layers that are about 10 days away from going out to free range pasture---they are now in my brooder house and I am wondering how is the best way to catch them when they are going out. I know that you can go catch them at night but that is a problem for me with my glaucoma as I have limited night vision. A friend told me that the big houses use a red light at night when they catch them---I have a miners cap/light so I put a piece of red foil over the light and tried it last night but the red light didnt work as they ran around when they saw the light. Any ideas will be greatly appreciated.
05/22/08 @ 10:58
Comment from: Robert [Member] · http://www.plamondon.com
I have about 50 broilers and layers that are about 10 days away from going out to free range pasture---they are now in my brooder house and I am wondering how is the best way to catch them when they are going out.


The best way might be to drive them into the transport container without catching them at all. A big dog crate might do it. Any kind of crate with a door on the end. Put the crate in the doorway or a corner of the pen, using some plywood or something to prevent the birds from going past it, and shoo the birds slowly into the crate. If you remove their feeder a couple of hours before this and then put some feed into the crate, they might go in under their own power.
05/22/08 @ 12:56

Keeping Track of the Blog: Email or RSS?

by Robert

Several people have asked me if they can get email notifications for new blog entries, so I'm trying a third-party notification service called "Bot-a-Blog".

Just click the "BOT ABLOG" button near the lower right-hand edge of the page and sign up for an account. (Let me know how you like it.)

Another, probably better alternative, is get your feet wet with RSS, as follows:

1. Go to http://www.igoogle.com and follow their "Create a home page in 30 seconds" instructions.

2. Bookmark the page, or make it your homepage.

3. Click the "Add Stuff" link near the top of the page.

4. Find the "Add feed or gadget" link and click that.

5. Enter http://www.plamondon.com/b2evolution/blogs/blog4.php?tempskin=_rss2 into the box and press "Add".

6. Click the "Back to iGoogle home" link, and you should see "A View From the Farm" on your iGoogle home page.

That solves the immediate problem. The iGoogle walkthroughs and help pages are worth looking at. You can add any page with an RSS link (see below)to your iGoogle page.

[RSS]

Practically all major Web sites, blogs, and forums have RSS feeds. The titles of the most recent articles, events, or postings will appear on your iGoogle page. The iGoogle page becomes your window into the Web. Pretty nifty!

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Comment from: Melissa [Visitor] · http://youredoingwhat.blogspot.com
My son recently pointed out Google Reader to me. When you are at the google page, you know in the upper right corner they have all those things like Calendar, Documents, Images, Maps, and such? Click on Reader and set it up. I was able to just copy and paste the url for this page in the "add subscription" box. Then I set it up so that Google Reader is one of the gadgets on my igoogle page. Whenever one of my favorite blogs has a new post, I get notification and can go read it easily.

Hope that was easy enough to follow.
05/20/08 @ 20:55
Comment from: Melissa [Visitor]
I meant the upper LEFT corner on the main google page. I get those mixed up all the time. Sorry.
05/20/08 @ 21:01

Interesting Article on Early Egg Farming

by Robert

A Watt Poultry article gives a pretty good rundown of the early egg industry, marred mostly by a few patches of garbled numbers.

The authors correctly identify the pioneering breeders who changed the egg industry in the first third of the 20th century (including James Dryden, whose book I need to reprint some day) and have some interesting tables of productivity per hen.

The numbers giving the amount of labor required per hen are garbled, but the numbers that report how many hens represent a full-time job at different technology levels are correct. The numbers tend to explain why you shied away from doubling your flock size this year!

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Comment from: jamie d [Member] Email
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I would like someone to put a spin on some of Jull's older books like Poultry breeding and Successful Poultry Management. I like the Production of 300 eggers.... by the Reliable Poultry Journal also and American Breeds of Poultry by Frank Platt. Those older books have lots of relative info for "backyard" poultry plants. Maybe you could post a few old articles from older 1910's- 20's poultry mags. I have got to finish the Dollar Hen. Good idea here.
Jamie

05/21/08 @ 06:20
Comment from: Robert [Member] · http://www.plamondon.com
I've read "Production of 300-Eggers," but I don't remember much about it except that it slightly predated scientific breeding. Was it from the guys at Hollywood Farms in Washington, or do I have it confused with another book? If it's the book I think it is, you're right, and I need to go read it again.


Everything Jull writes is good, though disease management and nutrition have moved on. Never use an old-time remedy without looking up the ingredients to see if they're poisonous or carcinogenic, because they usually are. And until the mid-Fifties, the diets tended to be nutritionally deficient in one way or another. The cool thing was that the poultry scientists knew this and said so. No denial there. I like that.

I'd love to republish Jull's books. They're gold mines. Jull's books are still under copyright, so I can't republish them unless I can find his heirs, a process that is likely to cost more than the book is worth. Copyright lasts so long these days that this sort of thing is typical -- none one knows who the copyright holder is, least of all the copyright holders themselves.


Robert
05/21/08 @ 06:47

Hen Hints

by Robert

I'm dumping my accumulated store of wood ashes onto the dust-bathing sites preferred by the hens. This is supposed to be helpful in controlling mites, which always give me trouble in the warm parts of the year.

One of the problems I have with the pan-style waterers I use with the hens (Little Giant Pet Waterers)is that the hens don't hesitate to poop in the waterer. I'm trying those conical wire tomato-cage thingies as a guard. We'll see what happens.

The earlier and oftener you collect the eggs, the cleaner they'll be. There will be more of them, too. The hens can't break an egg or smear dirt on it if you've already collected it.

I've been having trouble with aerial predators picking off hens that insist on roosting on the roofs of the hen houses. I'm thinking about putting barrier wires around the roof, sticking up a foot or two above the roof line, and at a slant to keep the hens from roosting on them. Sorta like Rommel's "asparagus" in Normandy. If anyone tries this before I get around to it, let me know.

If you use electric fence to protect your chickens, keep mowing the grass! Lush spring grass shorts out electric fences, no matter how powerful your fence charger. It's hard to keep the voltage up to standard this time of year.

And in spite of high feed prices, don't let your birds run out of feed. This is especially true of baby chicks. Never let them run out of feed, never let them run out of water, and (for chicks) never let them get cold. I like automatic waterers and large-capacity feeders. But you have to check both all the time, or you won't notice when things go wrong. I find that I have to do a chore every day or I stop doing it entirely.

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Congratulations on your new blog! You will have a lot of fun with it - I know I will! :)
05/19/08 @ 14:06
Comment from: silver fox [Member] Email
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I note you are using your wood ashes for the hens to scratch around in - a quick comment here, I hope that your don't burn any "trash" wood i.e. treated wood or plywood or painted wood or pressed wood etc as it all contains poisons that would be bad for your chickens and you!
Next comment, I too had some of my chickens being picked off by hawks. My set up is probably different to yours as I only have about a dozen and a half hens and they stay in their 'run' most of the day. Their run is about 30 foot by 50 foot, in the afternoon, say after 3.00 I let them out to roam my garden, which is just 2 acres. I stopped the hawks by putting string accross the run (the fence around the run is about 7' high - 8' posts sunk in 1') the string just criss crosses back and forth. I figure the haks can see it and are afraid of hitting it if they dive bomb the hens. I havn't lost one since. I let them out to roam after 3.00 because by then they have laid in their nests in the hen house, I don't want them to lay out in the bushes. They seem to be OK out in the garden - I assume they can spot the hawks and hide under the buses and trees of which there are plenty. Works for me anyway.
Thanks for the articles I'm enjoying them.

The Silver Fox (It's OK I won't bother your hens!)
05/19/08 @ 14:20
Comment from: Ev [Visitor]
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I was wondering just the other day "What happened to Plamondon - did he finally go broke farming, see the light and run screaming off into the bush?" Glad to see you are still alive and kicking, and still farming.
This is going to be fun - I am not a good spectator and always have comments on anything anyone has to say. It was frustrating to just read and not be able to reply.

Up here on Vancouver Island there is a derth of point-of-lay hens available this year so I am raising about 150 pullets that I got from Murray McMurray. (Sometime I will tell you about the six hour horror show of getting them across the border). I am just now putting them out to pasture. They are bringing $15 right now at 8 weeks and will go for $20 - $25 when they reach point-of-lay, if any of them reach that age here on my farm, they are going fast.

I went solar powered electric mesh fencing, covered with the netting that they use in orchards and berry farms. Looks easy enough, I'll let you know. Hey. Robert, can we send pictures to this blog?
Enough for right now - have to go erect some fencing.
Glad you are here.
Luv
EV
05/19/08 @ 15:17

Water Conservation With a Vengeance

by Robert

Since I live in the country, my water comes from a well. Let me tell you about my well. It's 140 feet deep and delivers a quart of water per minute. That's right -- one quart. The rule of thumb is that a well isn't adequate for a home unless it can deliver five gallons a minute, or twenty times more than what we have.

Here in Oregon's Coast Range, we have the irony that it rains like crazy half the year (60-90 inches in my neighborhood), but the aquifers are very poor. The dry summers and the lack of water mean that agriculture is difficult -- we only get one cutting of hay a year, for example. It's not uncommon to have no rain at all in July and August.

Not only that, the water quality is poor. Iron and sulfur, plus the inevitable iron and sulfur bacteria. These bacteria are harmless, but they clog filters and make it impossible to filter out the yucky taste.

Oddly, our sharply limited water supply encourages us to ignore normal water-conservation methods. We have an antique high-flow toilet and an immense antique bathtub. Low water pressure has induced me to disable the low-flow features on our sinks. True, we have a front-load washer, but the fact is that the real savings come from not watering the lawn, and none of that other stuff matters at all. The only things that ever ran us out of water were leaks, watering, and running the big ice machine we use as part of the broiler-butchering business. If you have limited water, you learn what's important and what isn't. Nickel-and-dime stuff like faucet restrictors don't mean anything.

Today's project is to get the Chemilizer chemical injector going . This is a chemical metering solution that puts a measured amount of the chemical of your choice into the water as it flows by. The chemical of choice is chlorine. It worked great for one bucketful of bleach solution and has mysteriously stopped doing anything.

Like everything else that actually works, chlorine comes in for a lot of flak, but I expect it to do the job. It not only kills off the slimy bacteria and will thus make it possible to use filters again, but it gets rid of the iron and sulfur, perhaps making the filters unnecessary.

If I can get the thing to work at all...

[Later] Well, that didn't work. I guess the unit is busted. I'll get it replaced and try again.

[Even Later] Okay, it works now. Someone at Chemilizer saw the post and we exchanged emails. My problem was self-inflicted -- when the instructions say, "Lubricate lightly with Silicone lubricant," using Vaseline instead because you've lost your can of silicone lube doesn't work. D'oh!

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Comment from: GARY [Visitor]
IF YOU WANT A TROUBLE FREE SYSTEM TO INJECT CHEM INTO YOUR WATER SUPPLY CONTACT KEIT WHALEY AT WHALCO IN CULLMAN AL. HE HAS INVENTED A SYSTEM THAT IS TROUBLE FREE , IT IS BEING US IN THEPOULTRY INDUSTRY AND ALSO FOR INJECTING FERT IN GREENHOUSES, A VERY SIMPLE AND TROUBLE FREE SYSTEM, I HAVE USED CHEMLIZER AND DOSATRON TILL THEY HAVE ABOUT BROKE ME
05/19/08 @ 19:47
Comment from: Carolyn [Visitor]
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Why not install a rainwater collection system? You may be able to save enough water during the rainy months to carry you through the dry months. We are getting a 20,000 gallon tank to store the rain from our 2,000 square foot roof, with a switch so that we can get water either from the well or the tank.
05/19/08 @ 19:59
Comment from: Jim FitzGerald [Visitor] Email
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You are correct Carolyn! Rainwater collection is the way to go.
05/19/08 @ 20:20
Comment from: Robert [Member] · http://www.plamondon.com
The problem with the Chemilizer was that I didn't follow the instructions. It's fine now. If you try this unit (and I'm very happy with it), you should slavishly follow the instructions, and all will be well.

Re rainwater collection systems: this isn't practical in my climate, which typically has no rain at all between the Fourth of July and Labor Day, with total drought often extending through September. Anyway, the issue isn't that I don't have enough water, it's that I need an adequate supply of known-sanitary water for egg washing, broiler butchering, and household use. I have plenty of lesser-quality water in the two creeks on my properly.
07/20/08 @ 11:32

Keeping Cool at the Farmer's Market

by Robert

I had a brainstorm a couple of years ago about the problem of keeping fresh eggs and frozen broilers cool at the farmers' market: salt-water ice. A saturated solution of salt water freezes (or melts) at zero degrees Fahrenheit. Not only is this cold enough to keep frozen broilers frozen, but it's cold enough that water condenses as frost, not water, on the sides of salt-water ice containers, and frost doesn't drip onto the egg cartons.

(One the ice inside the container melts, the ice on the outside will melt, too, but it works like a charm until then.)

This works so well that I'm surprised everyone hasn't always used it. Blue Ice, for example, claims to be "colder than ice," but it doesn't seem to be. (Condensation drips off Blue Ice, rather than forming a layer of frost or ice.)

Used plastic soda bottles make good salt-water ice containers. To make a saturate salt solution, add one four-pound box of pickling salt to 1.5 gallons of hot water and stir until as much of it has dissolved as is going to. Pour into used plastic soda bottles and freeze in a freezer that's below zero F. When you need to keep something cool, toss these bottles into the cooler, then back into the freezer when you get home. Simple.

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Comment from: Beverly Parkison [Visitor]
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I did try this and it never froze. Maybe the freezer isn't cold enough?
05/20/08 @ 07:16
Comment from: Robert [Member] · http://www.plamondon.com
Yes, if it doesn't freeze, that tells you that your freezer isn't below zero. You might want to buy a freezer thermometer. If your freezer doesn't go below zero, then using less salt (or pouring out some of the salt water and topping off the bottle with tap water) will work.
05/20/08 @ 08:31

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