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Do Chickens Like Music?

by Robert

Link: http://www.worldpoultry.net/home/id2205-56419/music_helps_raise_quality_chickens.html

Here's an article that claims that chickens grow better if provided with music.

Is it true? Do chickens do better if they have the ability to put on an impromptu hoedown anytime the mood strikes them? Beats me, but no doubt there's been research on the subject. Any poultry question that (a) comes up over and over and (b) can be researched cheaply has been looked into: our Extension Service is like that. And it's not like putting a radio in a chicken house is very complicated.

I do know that chickens make noises to communicate with each other, and a contented flock sounds different from an unhappy flock. They also react to noises in their environment. So it seems reasonable that appropriate background music will mellow them out.

Of course, chicken farming has always been plagued by stuff that "seems reasonable" but doesn't work. For example, people still believe that you can tell the sex of a baby chick by the phallic symbolism of the egg: long skinny eggs hatch males. And others still believe in the irritant theory of medicine, and think that cayenne pepper in the diet will force a hen to shoot out eggs like a machine gun. It's always the Middle Ages in some people's heads. But then again, some of these wacky ideas work. Maybe I can dredge up some research the next time I find myself in the basement of OSU's Valley Library.

I've noticed that anecdotal reports of music for chickens rate rock and roll higher than you'd expect if the music is supposed to be a lullaby. Of course, since we don't know what the music actually does, it's hard to guess what the best playlist is going to be.

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Comment from: Ben Wilkerson [Visitor] · http://benwilkerson.blogspot.com/
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I have also heard about this. I have kept a radio in with my chickens when I raised free range birds. Of course I kept it to keep predators out of the coop after I lost about 15 or 20 to a fox. It worked great and the chickens didn't seem to mind the country music. My grandfather also used a radio for raccoon control in his garden and that worked too. Put a bucket over it and you don't have to worry about the weather. One setback is of course batteries if you use it in a mobile coop like I did. But a great idea nonetheless.
10/05/08 @ 17:36
Comment from: jerod [Visitor]
well i have noticed some intyeresting reactions when the chickens listen to trip hop.

They seem to be drawn into the bass and also like the variation of wierd sounds. i have seen the chickens lay down in a circle just to listen. it seems to put them in a sort of trance. this effect only occured with bass beat music. and they didnt respond to radio head.
06/01/09 @ 19:46

Keep Those Waterers in the Shade

by Robert

We had a few hot days in a row, and Karen noticed that the broilers looked pretty stressed. It reminded us that modern hybrid broilers don't like sunshine on hot days and often won't leave the shade, even to drink. They can actually die of heat stress because of this.

Karen gently hosed down the birds to cool them off, and they recovered almost instantly.

The fix is to make sure every broiler pen has at least one waterer in the shade. In most pen designs, this means having a waterer at the back of the pen. We always use two waterers per pen in case one fails, and now we've got one in the front and one in the back.

This reluctance to leave the shade is most pronounced with modern hybrid meat chickens. Other types are less reluctant to go out in the noonday sun. My hens have waterers smack in the middle of the pasture with no shade at all, and they don't hesitate to go there for a drink at high noon. Still, hens like shade. People sometimes complain that, when they see a free-range flock, the hens aren't scattered decorously across the pasture, but are hanging around the henhouse. If the critics came back near sunrise or sunset, it would be a different story.

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Comment from: woozie [Visitor] Email
Timely! But about the same time some of the grapes started dropping, so did egg production. Coincidence? Or is there something in grapes that chickens shouldn't have?


It's not a coincidence, exactly: egg production is seasonal, peaking in the spring. During harvest season, it's dropping fast, and will keep dropping until sometime between Thanksgiving and New Year's day. So both the drop in egg production and your grape harvest are tied to the season.

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08/26/08 @ 09:24

Save Money on Chicken Feed

by Robert

Here's an old trick that not everyone knows about: If you feed your chickens out of two feeders, one full of grain and the other one full of chicken feed, you save money. Chickens have a reasonably accurate appetite for calories, protein, and other things, and will mix and match the two feeds in a way that tends to maximize the amount of inexpensive grain they eat, but with no downside in performance or health.

For example, laying hens given access to a balanced 16% layer ration in one feeder and corn in another feeder will eat about 1/3 corn, but will do just as well as hens that eat nothing but the balanced ration.

This has always rather annoyed poultry nutritionists, because it sort of doesn't make sense. The key seems to be that only the high-producing hens need the full 16% protein, while the ones who aren't laying much anyway don't need all that protein -- and don't crave it.

This trick works best if the chickens are given clear choices: a high-protein/low-energy feed and a low-protein high-energy feed. Most commercial chicken feeds use wheat bran and other cheap, low-energy fillers, which means that they fit the bill nicely. I had some trouble with a custom-milled high-protein/high-energy feed -- wonderful feed, and the chickens liked it a lot better than grain. NOT what I had in mind, because it was three times as expensive! So this is a trick where ordinary chicken feed is likely to outperform super-premium stuff.

Normally there are two kinds of layer ration -- a 16% ration and a 20% ration. With the 20% ration, the hens will eat about half grain, half 20% ration. Such rations are formulated for use with supplemental grain, and contain extra calcium and such. For broilers, you simply use the same broiler ration as ever, but with supplemental grain in a second feeder. If you used to use a finisher ration, try using the starter or grower ration plus grain. The results will probably be the same as ever, but the cost will be less.

Corn and wheat are the grains of choice here. They can be tolerated by chickens of any age. Use whichever is cheapest. Chicks can't handle oats or barley very well. Chicks can handle whole wheat, but can't handle whole corn until they're about half-grown.

A three-feeder system is even better, with oystershell in the third feeder. Hens have a definite calcium appetite. If they can get the calcium they crave directly via oystershell, they do. If they have to eat chicken feed for its oystershell content, they'll do that, even if it means eating too much. Feeding oystershell can thus reduce the flock's total feed intake.

To get the maximum feed savings, you need to find your local provider of low-priced grain. Feed stores and feed mills overprice grain, but usually there's a local vendor who is selling it at a lower markup. Here in the Corvallis area, it's Venell Feed. As of this writing, they're selling whole corn at $6.00 a sack, while at Kropf Feed (now CHS Nutrition) it's $10.20 a sack. This is typical.

How much can you save?

  • 16% chicken feed from CHS: $11.17/sack or $0.223 per pound

  • half 20% CHS feed ($11.70) and half Venell corn ($6.00): $17.70 per cwt or $0.177 per pound

  • Savings: $0.046/lb. or 26%.

According to Leeson and Summers' "Commercial Poultry Nutrition," feeding oystershell on the side can give total feed savings of 6%-7%. This means that a total feed savings of 30% is within your grasp!

This topic is covered (along with every conceivable feeding topic) in the classic book, Feeding Poultry by G. F. Heuser, which I have reprinted. Check it out! It even has a chapter on the nutritional value of green feed and free range.




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Comment from: EJ [Visitor]
I a link to your blog to the coabc sendlist and received the following response:

I support the concept of choice-feeding for small poultry flocks, especially organic flocks, for the following reasons:
1. Poultry have some ability to balance their diets when allowed an appropriate choice of feeds.
2. The nutritional requirements of organic poultry have not been well defined.
3. The program is likely to be more profitable, as pointed out in this report.
4. Whole grain helps to promote optimal gut development, especially of the gizzard, which may assist in disease resistance.
4. Choice-feeding is closer to the natural way of eating for poultry.
If layers do well consistently when given the choice of grain or a 16% protein layer feed and consume about 30% grain and 70% layer feed, it follows that the 16% layer feed contains more nutrients than are needed by the birds in that particular flock. The possible drawback of this program is that the birds when in high production and possibly continuing to consume substantial quantities of grain may develop a nutritional deficiency.
In my book Nutrition and Feeding of Organic Poultry I have suggested a choice-feeding program based on grain and a Supplement (concentrate instead of a layer diet) as the 2 feeds. A Supplement provides all of the nutrients not provided by the grain and is therefore a safer choice than the layer diet. However producers may find it more difficult to purchase organic Supplement than an organic layer diet.
In either case producers should provide 3 feeders for the birds, the first containing grain, the second containing layer diet (or Supplement) and the third oystershell grit (for eggshell production).
The grain could be oats, wheat or barley etc. (or a mixture) and fed whole. Corn needs to be kibbled for feeding to poultry since the whole kernels are too large for the birds to ingest easily.
Bob

Robert Blair, DSc, FAIC
Professor Emeritus
UBC

08/08/08 @ 07:16
Comment from: Ivan [Visitor]
Hi Robert, have you tried feeding okara to layers? Thanks.


Not me. Okara has never been on my radar. I think it's a byproduct of soy milk production, and I'm over a thousand miles away from soybean country. Agriculture in my neck of the woods is dominated by the grass-seed industry, and its byproducts aren't very palatable to chickens.
08/11/08 @ 08:55
Comment from: J.R. Neumiller [Visitor] Email
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So along the lines of independent, sustainable farming, have you tried rotating your chickens with wheat or grain crops? Surely the rich soil would provide excellent feed for the chickens, as well as straw for litter.


Even at today's prices, it's a lot cheaper for me to sell my eggs at niche-market prices and buy my grain and straw at commodity prices than it is to grow my own. In the meantime, the pasture absorbs all the nutrients and is presumably making the topsoil deeper as well as richer. The fertility will be there when I want it.

A farmer we know used to grow grain on about ten acres, and fed it to cattle and chickens. But he was an old, experienced farmer who was wise in the ways of cranky old combines. I'm not sure grain on small acreage makes sense unless you already have that kind of experience.

I'm planning on trying kale, sunflowers, and corn next year, though, as much for their shade as their nutritional value for the chickens. We'll see what happens.
08/20/08 @ 10:58
Comment from: john brightman [Visitor] · http://www.whoismark.com
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HI
looks very interesting!
bookmarked your blog.
john brightman
05/25/09 @ 08:02
Comment from: Debbie Apple [Visitor] · http://www.windyacresfarmshop.com
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Hello,
I am interested in getting the soy out of our feed for our chickens. They are pastured and the organic corn and wheat we feed is of excellent quality, (we grow it ourselves and our fields are regularly tested). I also have access to barley but it is not hulled, can I feed that to the girls. We have 200 hens right now and I hope to grow when I can get through these soy issues. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Debbie
10/05/09 @ 19:53
Comment from: Robert [Member] · http://www.plamondon.com
I'm personally not impressed by the recent backlash against soy, just as I wasn't impressed by the pro-soy love-fest that preceded it. It's just a bean, when all is said and done.

It's not hard to eliminate soy from poultry diets, just expensive. Chickens need some kind of balanced protein supplement in their feed, and soy (plus some other stuff, since its protein isn't balanced) is by far the cheapest. Has been for over fifty years. Replacing the soy with meat is very easy from a nutritional point of view, since meat has complete protein and vitamin B12 and a lot of minerals that soy lacks.

Trying to raise chickens on grain alone is a recipe for failure -- you'll be lucky if all you suffer is low production, and not deficiency diseases.
10/08/09 @ 11:55
Comment from: lskena [Member] Email
I have your book Success with baby chicks and just love it. It was very helpful through my whole process. We even built the brooder light that you had the diagrams for. It works great. My hens are now laying and I'm enjoying it very much, since this is a first for my husband and I. My question is about feed. We were raising some meat birds for a friend of ours for the first 5 wks of their life. Now he has them on his property and is feeding them cattle feed because its cheaper and he has cattle also. My husband and I don't agree with this. Is this bad for the birds or are we worrying for nothing? I would appreciate the feed back.
05/15/11 @ 21:35
Comment from: Robert [Member] · http://www.plamondon.com
Iskena,

It depends on the cattle feed, but cattle and chickens have very different digestive systems, so fiber that is digestible by cattle does nothing for chickens, while chickens want higher levels of proteins. They're omnivores by nature, unlike cattle.

Now if they were feeding pig food or dog food or Purina Human Chow, that would work better. It would still be more expensive and less nutritious than feeding a high-quality chicken feed, but it would likely be in the right ballpark if you're not too particular.

Robert
05/16/11 @ 15:28

Reducing Feed Waste

by Robert

Feed is way too expensive to waste these days, but try telling that to the chickens! How can we keep our chickens from wasting feed?

The biggest culprit is feeders that are too shallow. One of the old rules of thumb was to never fill a trough or feed pan more than one-third full. This is harder than it looks, because most of the readily available poultry equipment consists of glorified chick feeders -- way too small for grown (or even half-grown) chickens.

Here are some tips:

  • If you build feed troughs out of boards, use 1x6 or even 1x8 boards for the sides. That oughta do it.
  • Buy the big tube feeders with the deep feed pans. The little tube feeders are basically chick feeders.
  • Tube feeders often have adjustments that let you vary the distance between the tube and the pan. Set these to the narrowest gap they will allow. Open up only if the feed doesn't flow.
  • You can start using bigger equipment earlier if the trough or pan is mostly full, but let the level fall as the chicks get bigger
  • Feeders that are low to the ground encourage waste. The pan or trough should be roughly level with the chickens' backs.
  • Never use a feeder that's so low that broilers can eat from it while sitting down. It's disgusting.
  • If you scatter scratch feed outdoors or in the litter, use whole grains. The hens won't miss these, but finer particles will be lost.
  • Really low-grade feeds, moldy feeds, and other stuff that has inedible or unpalatable ingredients will force the hens to rummage around looking for the edible portion. Don't bother with such feeds unless they're nearly free. Even then, have a separate feeder of good feed, so you don't accidentally poison or starve your chickens.

You might also want to look at my Feeding FAQ.

One of the books, I've reprinted, Feeding Poultry by G. F. Heuser, has everything you'd ever want to know about feeding.

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Looking for Tractor #2

by Robert

My tractor used to have problems that made it sit unused for months. Mostly I fixed this through a few simple repairs, such as replacing the broken fuel shutoff to prevent constant evaporation and its attendant crud in the carburetor, replacing the corroded distributor points with a Pertronix electronic ignition (which is almost as easy as putting in a new set of points), and replacing a dying starter motor.

But any tractor that's more than 50 years old is going to require some unplanned maintenance.
Over the past few months, I've had to replace the starter motor bendix and deal with my fuel-cap-related problems, each of which required a wait for parts and some miscellaneous delays which kept the tractor out of service for a week.

This is why most people buy new equipment -- and why I'm looking for a second elderly tractor. It's not like two tractors will make my 37 acres look crowded, though admittedly I don't have an empty bay in my machine shed.

From the point of view of statistics, it makes perfect sense. If one tractor has 95% uptime, if I have two, there's a 99.8% chance that at least one of them is running. (This is based on the assumption that, if I have a spare tractor, I'll repair a broken one as fast as ever, which I admit is questionable.)

Mostly I use my tractors for mowing and for moving chicken houses short distances. My current tractor is a Ford 640, which is almost overkill for such tasks. I'm looking for another Ford tractor from the Thirties through the Sixties, with a vague preference for a 9n (made from 1939-1941), just because it's the most antique Ford tractor that's really suitable for my purposes. These things are everywhere, at least in theory. I don't see one on Craigslist within an hour of me.

Tractors last forever, even if used hard, because they are simple and overbuilt. A tractor from the Sixties isn't much different from one from the Thirties. Once tractors get too old to use as the lifeblood of a large commercial farm, their prices collapse to low levels, and you can pretty much pick your poison. A Ford utility tractor from the Thirties through the Sixties should be worth between $1,000 and $4,000 around here, based more on whether it's been spiffed up than what its actual features are, and how good its tires are. A new set of tires will cost around $1,000. This also means that an elderly tractor will retain its resale value, such as it is, except for tire wear.

I could get a tractor with more features (diesel, power steering, more horsepower) without increasing the price much. This might be prudent, but I'm going to stick with what I know this time.

Not that there's a huge consensus of what the value of such a tractor is. Some people will pay more, some less. I'm looking for a bargain tractor that's mechanically sound. My budget is $2,000 (including the cost to haul it to my farm, since I don't have a suitable trailer), hopefully including a 5' mower. I'd go higher if it has a quality roll bar on it or a decent tractor seat, but hardly any of them do.

So if you know of a running Ford tractor within about 50 miles of Blodgett, Oregon, let me know. I'd be especially interested if it has decent rubber and a bush hog.

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