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Fresh-Air Poultry Houses

by Prince T. Woods
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Success With Baby Chicks

by Robert Plamondon
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Gardening Without Work

by Ruth Stout
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Ten Acres Enough

by Edmund Morris
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Feeding Poultry

by G.F. Heuser
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More New Books

by Robert

Link: http://www.nortoncreekpress.com

I've been using my vacation time from my day job at Citrix to catch up on publishing tasks. In particular, I'm getting Karen up to speed on this whole publishing thing, since she's got an immense list of books that ought to be made available again.

We're giving ourselves permission to be eclectic and print what we love, so not all the books will fall into neat categories, but mostly Karen's line is going to be "adventure books." We've got three basic categories in the pipeline (click the highlighted text to take a look at the books):

  • Boys' Adventure Books, starting with Percy Keese Fitzhugh's boy scout novels. The first two volumes of his Tom Slade series are already available. (Amazon's listing of Tom Slade #2 is incomplete, but it'll be fine by tomorrow or the next day.)
  • Tom Slade, Boy Scout
  • Amelia B. Edwards' books on Egyptian travel and Egyptology. If you've read Elizabeth Peters' Amelia P. Emerson mysteries, you'll instantly recognize that Amelia Emerson was based on Amelia Edwards, a redoubtable Victorian novelist, travel writer, and Egyptologist. Her works are charming and informative. I can't praise them enough. A Thousand Miles up the Nile should be live on Amazon and other booksellers in a few days.
  • A Thousand Miles up the Nile
  • One Survivor, a science fiction novel I wrote years ago but couldn't find a publisher for. Well, having my own publishing company certainly takes care of that problem! Read the sample chapters.
  • One Survivor by Robert Plamondon

I'm on the look out for more good poultry and country living books to republish, too, of course. My short list includes:

  • Animal Breeding by A. L. Hagedoorn. Wonderful book, but I'm not sure how to acquire the rights to it, since this would involve identifying and contacting Dr. Hagedoorn's heirs in Holland.

  • Poultry Breeding and Management by James Dryden. I'm mostly trying to nerve myself up to believing that it will sell well enough to pay for the extra processing the photos will require.

  • The Henyard by Geoffrey Sykes. Similar rights problems to Hagedoorn.

  • Another volume on chicken housing, since this topic holds tremendous interest for people.

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Thinking About Chicks

by Robert

I've spent a good part of my life thinking about chicks -- by which, for the moment at least, I mean "baby chickens." It's just about the new year, which means that hatchery catalogs will start arriving in the mailbox any day now.

One thing I've been doing over the last few years is popularizing the insulated electric lamp brooder developed by the Ohio Experiment Station in the Forties. I have their paper on it here, and I devote two chapters to it in my book, Success With Baby Chicks. It's done us proud over the years and I routinely get fan mail about the design. Check it out. Your chicks will be warmer and you'll use less electricity, and the whole shebang only takes a couple of hours to knock together.

Another trick I'm fond of is using the little quart-jar waterers, but with narrow-mouth glass canning jars instead of the horrible plastic jars the feed store wants to sell you. Glass jars glint like water, and you can watch the baby chicks wander over and peck at the glass a couple of times before finding the actual water. Also, the plastic jars are hard to clean, and they're not clear enough to see when they've gone empty. Just buy the bases and leave the plastic jars alone.

I don't like bigger waterers (gallon waterers, say), because they have too much water area and day old chicks get soaked, then chilled. The quart-jar waterers are tiny enough that this pretty much doesn't happen.

If you're wondering about what kind of breed to buy, try one of the brown-egg commercial hybrids if you haven't already. Not only do they lay a lot more eggs, but they do this largely by laying in the off-season. If you've found yourself having to buy eggs at the store in the fall and winter, a handful of commercial layers should fix this. My personal favorite is the Red Sex-Link from Privett Hatchery in Portales, NM. They are just about as docile as Barred Rocks but lay a lot better.

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Comment from: Scot [Visitor]
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while my brooding technique differs i am a fan of the glass quarts. all of my bases are antique metal ones obtained from a neighbor and various sales. they are quite easy to clean and seem to last a lifetime or two. i agree with this post completely other than choice of chicks. my personal preference has leaned toward black australorps over the last several years. my experience is they are very hardy through heat and cold lay well year round are good foragers and are a good looking chicken. in the warmer months very little supplemental grain is used, i have to watch or it just lays around. i tried layer mash in winter they would not touch it at all. my girls will follow me around like the dog does and so far all cocks have been well mannered.
02/09/09 @ 14:29

Hooray for Scratch Feed!

by Robert

Every time I go out on the pasture, I have to feed the chickens some scratch feed. They come running out, eager for a treat, and it's really hard to look at all those expectant faces and disappoint them. Besides, it's a good practice. By feeding your animals kinda-sorta by hand, they come a lot tamer, you become a lot more attached to them, and you get a good look at them, close up and in good light.

I didn't always do this. For a while, I just kept the range feeders topped off and didn't feed anything by hand. But the whole exercise of poultrykeeping became mechanical -- just another chore. And the free-range egg biz doesn't pay anywhere near well enough unless you enjoy it. Things got better when I started using scratch feed again.

I use whole grains, usually about a gallon or so. You want to feed enough that every chicken can get some, even the timid and the latecomers, but you want it all to be gone within a few minutes. If there's still grain leftover from last time when it's time to give them some more, they don't much care about the new feeding. Sorta defeats the purpose.

I broadcast the grain into the grass, as if I were sowing the seed rather than feeding it. I like to cover the area thinly, covering an area roughly a hundred yards long and a few feet wide. I try to do this in the greenest, cleanest grassy area available. If the grass is reasonably short, the chickens will find every single grain. Ground grains or finely cracked grains will be wasted, though. They shouldn't be fed on the ground. The chickens scratch up the ground looking for the grain, so the area looks a little shopworn after a few feedings, so using new patches of grass each time is a good idea.

You get extra credit for using a kind of grain that's different from what they have all day long. Usually we have whole corn in some of the feeders, so something else -- whole wheat or whole oats -- works best as a scratch grain. Chickens like variety.

If the chickens seem unusually happy to see you, your feeders are probably going empty. If they act as if you don't exist, either you overfed them last time or something has happened to put them off their feed -- being chased by a dog, for instance.

Most chickens will rush out for a treat (including the ones loitering in the nest boxes and who otherwise make it hard to collect the eggs). The ones that don't are likely broody or sick. Separating the sheep from the lambs in this way makes it easier to spot the ones that need attention.

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Comment from: Joe [Visitor]
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Hello Robert. I've tried feeding whole corn before and my chickens just don't seem to like it. They will eventually eat it, but they seem to have a hard time getting the whole kernels down. An old farmer that lives near says he's had chickens choke (and die) on whole kernels, so I went back to cracked corn. There does seem to be some waste - I'm wondering if I should go back to whole corn?
01/10/09 @ 05:36
Comment from: Robert [Member] · http://www.plamondon.com
My chickens don't seem to have any trouble with whole corn. It's a traditional chicken feed. But maybe there's giant-kernel corn out there that's too big for chickens.

I prefer whole grains because they last forever, while cracked grains (especially cracked corn) get moldy pretty quickly. Adult chickens will be delighted to receive supplements of wheat, oats, or barley. It's just that corn is usually cheaper.

Unless I could get ground that had been cracked very coarsely, I wouldn't feed it in the grass. Too wasteful, and wasted feed attracts rodents and giant flocks of tiny birds that I'd just as soon kept away. If other whole grains are expensive, feed them in smaller quantities, and feed cracked corn in a feeder.
01/11/09 @ 18:51
Comment from: Roy [Visitor] Email · http://www.ourhaxtunlife.com
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We feed a scratch mix of cracked corn, whole wheat, grain sorghum, and proso millet. They come running when I start to spread it in the coop. It is a good way to bring in the stragglers at night and they calm down and are easy to count that way too. The grain sorghum, also called milo adds a lot of orange color to the yokes, but they have found that it makes red specks in the meat, so you have to discontinue feeding it a couple weeks before slaughter.
10/23/09 @ 11:46

White Christmas

by Robert

The snow continues, but a lot of it has melted. For the first time in two weeks, then hens came running out with their usual headlong greed when I appeared with a bucket of grain. Previously, the thick and unfamiliar snow had made them reluctant to spend any more time outside than absolutely necessary.

The snow should be gone tomorrow, and we'll be back to normal Western Oregon winter weather -- plenty of rain, occasional frosty nights, but daytime highs above freezing.

We have some pullet that need to be moved out of the brooder house. We kept them back due to the unseasonal snowfall. Other than that, things are pretty quiet.

I'm taking advantage of the holidays to prepare more books for publication. The second Tom Slade boy scout novel will be available in the next week or two, plus Amelia B. Edwards' true-life travels in Egypt in the nineteenth century, "A Thousand Miles up the Nile." (Amelia B. Edwards was clearly the inspiration for Amelia P. Emerson in Elizabeth Peters' wonderful series of Egypt-themed mysteries.) And there's even a novel of mine coming out soon. Stay tuned.

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Comment from: OogieM [Visitor]
Will you be putting the new books out in kindle format too?
12/26/08 @ 07:10
Comment from: Robert [Member] · http://www.plamondon.com
I'm not planning on supporting the Kindle right away. Amazon isn't handling Kindle in a very publisher-friendly manner. In fact, they're being a nuisance in two different ways:

1. The Kindle's ability to handle formatting is primitive. Basically, it's a reader for mass-market paperbacks. It doesn't even support tables. Some of my books require something more professional than this.

2. Amazon has set an expectation among its customers that, once they've paid Amazon a big pile of money for the Kindle, the publishers will offer books super-cheap. Amazon comes out ahead, the customer comes out even, and the publisher comes up short. Worse, the publisher gets an absurdly small cut of a too-low price.

So, while I'm sure all my books will become available in electronic form fairly soon, Amazon isn't bending over backwards to whip up my enthusiasm.



12/26/08 @ 08:28
Comment from: OogieM [Visitor]
Well I agree on the formatting problems. But the boy scout stuff should work fine. Plus if, as a publisher you request it that request will go with the other publishers who need more formatting. I know the textbook folks are talking to Amazon about improving the formatting options.

As to the price. As a reader I do think that the price of electronic books should be significantly lower than paperbacks or hardbacks. You don't have all the paper, printing and shipping costs. Once you've done the formatting you can sell many copies at no additional effort or costs. Plus, according to Amazon, the publisher sets the price of their books in kindle format not Amazon. So you could set any price you want. However as a reader of kindle books I have a hard time going much above $10 for general reading (the boy scout books etc.) but for reference material (your farming books) I'd pay more.

FWIW The Dollar Hen is already available on Kindle.
12/27/08 @ 09:34
Comment from: EJ [Visitor]
The best way to get chickens to go out in the snow is to spread some straw. No need to shovel.
12/29/08 @ 12:32
Comment from: Robert [Member] · http://www.plamondon.com
The straw trick works pretty well, I admit. But this time we were faced with snowfall over a fairly long period, so I decided to get the chickens used to snow rather than trying to make it so that they didn't have to.
12/31/08 @ 15:07

Rescue Hen How-To

by Robert

I ended up in the egg business because I couldn't resist a 25¢ hen.

We were raising our very first batch of chicks, 25 New Hampshire Reds we got from Oregon State University. At the same time, a barn owl was raising its own offspring in our barn. One day, we saw one of the fledgling owls flying around at dusk: a beautiful sight. A little later we discovered the body of our sole rooster, which was probably the owl's first kill. Oh, no!

So I called up OSU to see if they had a replacement rooster. "Sure," I was told, "and plenty of hens, too. We're having a hen sale." I bought three replacement roosters, then lost my marbles and bought $7.50 worth of White Leghorn hens at 25¢ each. This brought our total flock up above 40 layers.

Within a few weeks, our New Hampshires started laying, and our Leghorns started laying, and we had more eggs than we knew what to do with. The rest is history.

And the owl? We guessed that it was a practice kill, since the dead rooster (which was delicious, by the way) didn't have a mark on him. We did nothing about the owl, and it never killed another chicken. Would that other predators were so wise.

Since then, we've bought a great many hens from Oregon State University and a few other places. Older hens are called spent hens in the industry. Some people call them rescue hens. (Why it's a "rescue" when it's a hen and an "adoption," when it's a cat, I couldn't tell you.)

Rescue Hens 101

Let's not be superficial. Hens that have been kept in laying cages always look terrible, but that's not the problem. Their neck feathers have generally been rubbed off (the feed trough is outside the cage and they rub their necks against the bars when reaching for distant morsels), as have the ends of their tail feathers. Their toenails are too long. Their combs often have a bleached appearance. Their beaks have probably been trimmed. None of this matters.

The problem is that they've been cooped up in a tiny cage with (usually) two other hens, and this makes up their world. Drop them into an existing flock of uncaged birds, and they will be bullied mercilessly by the other hens, and will probably retreat into a dark corner and refuse to come out, even to eat and drink. Rescue hens need to be transitioned slowly and gently, left alone except by other hens that were removed from their cages at the same time. Keep an eye out for hens that may be hiding. Driving them out of the corners may help. Be prepared to move some to an isolation ward where they won't be as freaked out. Later, when they've adjusted to a cage-free life, you can reintroduce them to the main flock (preferably at night).

This timidity problem is, I think, the main barrier to success with rescue hens.

They are also clumsy from their long confinement. They can fall into a bucket of water and drown. They can't make it up onto perches or generally move without stumbling. This wears off completely within a few days, but don't expect much until then.

The stress of the move will cause the hens to stop laying, and they'll all molt. Don't expect a lot of eggs until a couple of months after you get them.

My experience is that, in the fullness of time, they learn to act exactly like chickens that had never been kept in cages. Spent hens don't lay well enough to be profitable in a normal commercial operation, but commercial layers produce so much better than standard breeds that a three-year-old commercial hen will probably outlay a standard-breed pullet.

Picking and Choosing

There are basically two kinds of spent hens: ones that are culled periodically from the flock because they look like they aren't laying (or look ill), and the entire rest of the flock, which is gotten rid of all at once. Generally speaking, you want to avoid the culls, who have been selected specifically because something's wrong with them.

My preference is to get birds from full-time poultry professionals, because they can be counted upon to know diseases when they see them and do something about it. Every time I go to the small-animal auction, I see diseased poultry from backyarders and small farmers. Mostly scaly leg mites. (An auction yard is a place to sell poultry, but never to buy.)

I should point out that one of the reasons everybody buys day-old chicks is that a hatchery that's run halfway competently can guarantee that you get disease-free chicks (because the eggshell is a highly effective barrier to disease transmission, but this just isn't the case with older birds.

Connecting with good sources of spent hens may be tricky. Find out who your area's Extension Service Poultry Specialist is and ask: that's probably the best way.

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Comment from: ivan [Visitor]
Hi Robert:

I got about 25-30 "spent " Leghorns direct from a now-defunct egg farm about 20 years ago, and they gave me a good summer of egg production before they went into the stockpot.

They looked like hell, just you said, but I put them in a yard by themselves and she did just fine.
12/27/08 @ 13:52
Comment from: Andy Cordy [Visitor]
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Thank you so very much for taking the time to post. I am a complete beginner and I found your blog both encouraging and enlightening.
I was originally looking for information about predators as we have a barn owl and a veery active pair of beautiful buzzards.

Warmest regards

Andy Cordy
11/26/09 @ 02:30

New Line of Adventure Books!

by Robert

Link: http://www.nortoncreekpress.com/tom_slade.html

One of the nice things about owning your own publishing company is that you can publish what you like. My wife Karen likes old-fashioned boys' adventure fiction, which she rediscovered when our son Dan was in cub scouts. Some of these books are very well-crafted and are buoyed up by the optimism of a can-do age where anything seemed possible. (An attitude I far prefer to today's mood of learned helplessness.)

Karen has collected an impressive library of first-rate adventure fiction, most of which has been out of print and forgotten since around WWII. Well, we know what to do when that happens!

First out of the chute is Percy Keese Fitzhugh's Tom Slade, Boy Scout. Tom Slade is a young teen hoodlum who discovers that the local boy scout troop is having way more fun than he is. Almost by accident, he pulls himself out of the downward spiral that is claiming his drunken father. Any synopsis of the book reads like a melodrama, but the book is put together with more sensitivity and realism than one would expect from the genre. I liked it far more than I expected to. It turns out that the characters were based on real boys. This is a great book.

First published in 1915, the book has a fascinating retro quality without being hard to understand.

Anyway, check out the book's Web page and read the sample chapters.

This is just the first volume of the nineteen-book Tom Slade series. We intend to print them all, plus the books about Tom Slade's friends: Roy Blakeley, Westy Martin, Pee-wee Harris, and the rest.

Go Karen!

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I recently came across your blog and have been reading along. I thought I would leave my first comment. I don't know what to say except that I have enjoyed reading. Nice blog. I will keep visiting this blog very often.


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12/28/08 @ 20:24

Use Randomness Right

by Robert

When I was working with the game designers at Activision in the Eighties, it was a truism that most players don't really like randomness. They want games to be predictable. If there has to be some randomness, users want it to behave like a shuffled deck of cards -- you don't know what card will come up next, but you can be sure that you won't bet dealt the Ace of Spades twice in a row.

True randomness isn't like that: true randomness is the equivalent of using a zillion decks and shuffling them after every hand. Sometimes you'll get the Ace of Spades sixteen times in a row. It doesn't happen very often, but it really gets your attention when it does! And not in a good way. As with poker, you tend to conclude that the dealer is cheating! At Activision, we treated this as a basic fact of human nature.

So I was surprised when, all these years later, both Apple and Pandora have gotten this wrong. For example, I've recently started using Pandora (http://pandora.com) as my Internet radio player. It has a spiffy thumbs-up/thumbs-down system, but it has no clue about how to repeat songs properly. It will take a song I like okay and then play it over and over across the next several hours, until I never want to hear it again, while ignoring a long list of other songs that I told it I like. It's maddening. All they have to do is shuffle the playlist and deal it out one song at a time until they've all been played once. Then reshuffle.

This is what people expect, and what they want, across a whole range of options: playlists, meal plans, store specials, gambling -- whatever. The concept can even be jiggered so that favorites show up more often in the rotation than non-favorites without straining the analogy. As far as I can tell, the only barrier to doing it right is that people haven't learned what we all knew at Activision ages ago.

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Comment from: David King [Visitor] Email · http://beautifulfoodgarden.blogspot.com/
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Rhapsody, a fee service, has the same problem, but worse. If there is a song I disdain, I can vote 0, put a line through it and it will still be back in about an hour. Songs I like, as well as songs I dislike, repeat ad nauseum - which is really galling. They surely have more than 20 CDs in their collection - why would there need to be a repeat in anything less than, say, 20 days? I think they have bought the model of AM radio (and now most FM) where a song is played into the dust. I have to organize my own playlists to get the variety I crave. We surely aren't the only ones who feel this way. david
12/20/08 @ 20:25
Comment from: David King [Visitor] Email · http://beautifulfoodgarden.blogspot.com/
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Also... thanks for your publishing efforts. I do the book reviews for Touch The Soil magazine - if you have a book for review that fits their publishing mission, I'd be happy to review it for you. I love the books I've seen on your website. I found you via Mother Earth News website. david
12/20/08 @ 20:27

Cold and Snow vs. Open Chicken Housing: Who Will Win?

by Robert

Chickens in the Snow. 7:30 AM, 18°F, Light Wind

It's 18 F outside and there's about four inches of snow on the ground. My chickens are all in open coops that most people would consider suitable only for summer housing. All my feeding and watering is done outdoors. What's up with that?

Yesterday there was snow, and the day before there was a little bit of snow, but it was above freezing. My chickens didn't like the looks of the snow and most of them stayed inside. To get them out to the feed, water, and nest boxes, I drove them out of their houses. The first time, there was hardly any snow, and you could see their reaction of "Hey, this isn't bad!" Once out of the houses, they were in no rush to go back in. Later, with more snow, they were less certain, and some jumped back inside right away. We'll see what happens today. They'll get used to it eventually, but they need to keep eating if they're going to keep laying, so I want them to get used to it now.

Today, the temperatures are going to stay below freezing all day, so I'm going to have to schlep buckets of warm water out to them. In very cold weather, the water in the buckets will freeze, but I just bring them back inside and put them next to the stove, and eventually they thaw. A lot of people like rubber feed pans because the ice can be dumped on the spot, and I'll be trying that, too.

My houses don't have insulated roofs. It usually it doesn't matter, because with open housing like mine, the inside temperature is the same as the outside temperature, so water doesn't condense on the ceiling and drip on the chickens. If temperatures are above freezing but there's snow on the roof, this isn't true anymore. The floors in the houses were pretty nasty yesterday. No doubt they're frozen now. I haven't been out to check yet.

I'll report back later and tell you how it's going. Based in past experience, the chickens' health will be completely unaffected by any of this, just like it says in Fresh-Air Poultry Houses, (great book, by the way). I'll post some photos, too.


First Look, 8:15 AM, 20°F, Light Winds

Chickens using range feeders in the snow

This photo shows some early birds hanging around the range feeders.

Chickens in fresh-air chicken coop on snowy morning

Here is one of my "low houses," whose occupants don't seem to want to go outside. Note that some of the hens are roosting on the front wall rather than inside. The cold doesn't seem to bother them.

Only a handful of chickens were moving around outside, but I scattered some whole wheat and drove the chickens outside. Once there, a lot of them started their usual routines, heading off to the feeders or the nest boxes.

Chickens foraging in the snow

Here's a view after I scattered some grain and made them go outside. Business as usual, more or less.

The snow is a very light powder and my houses are very open, which means that there's some snow in all the houses. The chickens look active, alert, and dry, though they would like the snow to go away.

The chickens all looked fine, except one hen who was shivering badly. I think she spent the night outside. I put her in a nest box, which gets her out of the wind and should allow her to warm up quickly.

Later I'll bring them some warm water. Their waterers are hidden under the snow and are frozen solid.

Noon, 21°F

Partly sunny. I brought two buckets of water out to the chickens, who pretty much ignored them. Obviously, they aren't very thirsty. They showed more interest in the grain I scattered for them, but they aren't acting like they're starving. There were a reasonable number of eggs to collect. The hen I'd put in one of the nest boxes died, which surprised me, because I didn't think she was in that much distress. I also thought the nest-box trick would work. I have community nests (with are big nests that hold a lot of hens at once, and have no interior partitions), and I knew that there would be other hens right up against her in there, which would help warm her up. It wasn't enough.

All the other chickens look fine. The situation looks stable. Tonight at dusk I'll go out with a flashlight to make sure there aren't any other hens sleeping outdoors.

This cold snap is supposed to last about a week and will reduce egg production significantly unless the hens get used to snow in a hurry. I don't expect any other ill effects (except for any remaining chickens that sleep outdoors).

This kind of cold snap occurs only about once every five years. If it happened more often, I'd have feeders and waterers in every house. Filling them would then become such a nuisance that I'd have fewer, larger houses.

7 PM, 19°F. All Quiet

I took a a tour around the houses. One hen was sleeping on the roof of a house, a couple were roosting on the side walls, and at least a dozen on the low front walls. I moved them all inside.

I retrieved the two galvanized buckets I'm using for waterers, since they'll just freeze solid if I leave them out. I'll take them back onto the pasture first thing tomorrow morning. I used to have some bucket heaters, which would keep the water in the buckets from freezing, but I tossed them after I stopped running hundreds of feet of extension cord onto the pasture for winter lighting. I still have enough extension cords, but no heaters.

By the way, I have two products to recommend. One is Coleman's wonderful new LED flashlight, as shown in the Amazon box below (though I bought mine at BiMart):

The other are "Hot Shot Hunting Gloves." These are wonderful winter gloves: waterproof, with Thinsulate insulation that keeps your fingers toasty. I have the kind that are fingerless gloves with mitten flaps. The standard gloves are probably even better.

I forgot to mention that I've seen weather this cold before, and this much snow before, but not both at the same time. Before, with cold weather but no snow, the hens were not reluctant to leave the houses and visit the feeders, and my only problem was providing water. In previous snowstorms, the above-freezing temperatures meant that the watering system worked and (more importantly) that the snow didn't last long enough to cause much trouble. We're in for a week of this snowy, below-freezing weather.

Tuesday Evening, 19°F

Today was more of the same, except that the chickens look happier now that they're getting used to the snow. They're spending more time outside. They greeted buckets of water and scratch feed with little more than polite interest, meaning that they're probably making it to the feeders on their own and learning to eat snow. If anything, they looked less cold today, although the temperatures weren't any higher than before.

Bottom line: except for one hen sleeping out in the open, none of the chickens seem affected by the cold, in spite of wide-open housing and temperatures as low as 15°F. Being freaked out by their first encounter with snow has been by far the biggest problem.

The weather report is for pretty much the same kind of weather for another week -- highs in the twenties or low thirties, lows in the teens or twenties, occasional snow -- which is very unusual for around here, a once-a-decade event at most.

Our household water system nearly gave out, but we kludged a fix for it. We have a two-pump system, with a submersible pump in the well, which pumps water into a 1500-gallon cistern, and a jet pump that pumps water out of the cistern and into the house. The path between the well pump and the cistern was frozen. I didn't notice until I peered into the cistern this morning. It was almost empty and had a skin of ice on top. Not good! The pipe-heating cable that was supposed to keep things flowing had failed. We managed to bypass it with a length of garden hose from a convenient spigot at the wellhead and into the top of the cistern. The water comes out of our well at 50°F, which should prevent any more ice from forming in the cistern.

(In a colder climate, we'd have put this 1500-gallon black plastic cistern in a shed, but as it is, we just left it out in the open.)

Saturday

The weather is slightly above freezing but there is more snow than ever. The chickens are behaving normally and there are no problems. As I said before, my previous problems were not caused by the cold but by the chickens' reluctance to go out in the snow, but they had to in order to eat and drink. In a normal operation with feeders and waterers indoors, there would have been no difficulty at all.

The snow causes another problem, though. Normally, my highly ventilated houses don't have any problem with condensation. The air inside the house is the same temperature as the air outside the house, so there's no tendency for moisture to condense on the ceiling or walls. But when the temperature is above freezing and there's snow on the roof, water condenses like mad and drips into the house.

I only have to put up with this for a few days a year in my highly ventilated coops, but people with ordinary coops put with this all winter. By going to great lengths to shut their coops up tight and to keep the temperatures higher inside than outside, moisture is condensing on the walls and ceiling all winter long and dripping back into the house. It turns the chicken house into a disgusting, unhealthy mess. The dampness leads to frostbitten combs, the sight of which tends to make people redouble their attempts to add heat and prevent ventilation. It's a vicious cycle.

I've republished Prince T. Woods' excellent book, Fresh-Air Poultry Houses, to help get the word out. You should at least click on the link and read the sample chapters. This week's bout with unusually cold weather (for here) has certainly vindicated Dr. Woods' main points.


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Comment from: Brenda [Visitor] · http://thepilgrimpath.blogspot.com/
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Hi Robert!

I've just discovered your site, and it has so much helpful information. I landed on your article, Winter Care (for chickens), and sent the link to another blogger who is concerned for his chickens in the cold weather. At the time, I couldn't see a way to contact you, so I hope you don't mind that I have used the article on my blog, with a reference to your authorship and a link back to your site. I'm sorry that I couldn't reach you earlier.

Now I've bookmarked your website, and look forward to exploring it further.
12/15/08 @ 18:13
Comment from: Oogiem [Visitor]
Have you or anyone you know tried the same type of system when it's 5 or lower and a strong wind?

I've been locking the chickens up for winter once our temps start getting down that far. We always have a morning wind and an evening one, wind chills can really be significant here and I worry about my chickens. They are in an unheated barn but inside.

I do have heaters for the water, otherwise it freezes way too fast.
12/21/08 @ 06:55
Comment from: Robert [Member] · http://www.plamondon.com
People can quote anything on my Web site if they give me credit and (if possible) a link back to my site.

As for temperatures of 5°F and lower, my own experience only goes down to about 15°F, but the consensus of the old-time poultry authorities seems to be that open housing is good down to zero. Below zero, you'd prefer it if one side weren't completely open. At twenty below, the hens start suffering no matter what you do.

I would think that in a barn, the hens would be fine if they can find places out of the wind to roost. If you left a couple of lights on, they would be willing to move from place to place to get out of the wind if it shifted.
12/21/08 @ 09:01
Comment from: Melissa [Visitor] · http://www.youredoingwhat.blogspot.com
I've got more questions about open chicken housing. This is a new concept to me. We're "city folk" trying to figure out this farming stuff.

We get some cold weather, but not usually for long at a time. Our chickens have fairly open housing as far as weather is concerned and they seem to do fine.

But what about protection from predators? Are they in a fenced area or something where they are protected?

We're wanting to fence in a large area for chickens near our garden so that we can throw the chickens some of the garden waste and let them scratch it and compost some of it, then shovel it back over to the garden to use the compost. Again, we don't know what we're doing, but it seemed to me that this could work. So they would be in a fenced area and we *think* they would be protected from predators there. Would it then be okay to just have a 3 sided structure for them to hang out in? To give them shade in summer, a wind break and cover from precipitation?

Then they could go out in the morning when they want and put themselves up at night. I wouldn't have to be so concerned about getting out at just the right time to put them up. And food and water could be in a central location for them all rather than divided up in separate shelters.

It just sounds too easy. Am I missing something? Or have I just been working too hard?
12/28/08 @ 15:17
Comment from: Robert [Member] · http://www.plamondon.com
Predators can be a serious problem. I use a two-strand electric fence of the kind used to keep raccoons out of gardens (one strand at about 4" off the ground and another at about 8-10"). This works pretty well, though I sometimes have to use snares on predators who insist on getting past the fence. Permanent fencing can be more reliable than this.

Before the fence, I discovered that predators would show up at dusk, before the chickens were willing to go inside for the night, so having a door I could close at night wasn't enough. Not unless I wanted to keep guard for an hour or so every night, until the last chicken went indoors. Since I'm not willing to do this (or to get up early to let the chickens out again), I don't put doors on my chicken houses.
12/31/08 @ 12:52
Comment from: Sandra Ross [Visitor]
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A wonderful website with lots of info for the beginning poultry keeper. That would be me.
Interestingly, I bought my 6 Buff Orpington hens and rooster from a man who has been farming his entire life. He lives north of Toronto in Canada where the temps probably range from 32 degrees down to 0 degrees throughout the winter, He raises heritage and endangered breeds, chickens, turkeys, and geese.
I have never seen such beautiful birds.

i was surprised though when I went to pick up my birds - all the housing was open on one side!
And there were chickens and turkeys housed together. He said that his birds are just healthier, and don't transmit disease.

Then I found your site. And bought the book.
Spring will be building season for the new chicken quarters - open of course.

Keep up the great work.

01/02/09 @ 18:53
Comment from: Debbi [Visitor] · http://alpacatex2008.wordpress.com/
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Robert, I am new to chickens as of June this year and am always on the lookout for practical, sensible information. You seem to have the info I am needing. I have been pleased with the A frame coops my husband designed and the ventilation is great. I am using the deep litter method and also using "stall dry" maybe every couple of weeks just sprinkled lightly over the litter and stirred in, which contains diatomaceous earth. It has a fresh scent and absorbs odors and dampness and is a natural deterrent to bugs. It is not harmful to animals. My chickens are happy free ranging to their hearts content. We are in north Texas and have had several freezing or below days so far. They all came through in fine shape. Keep up the good work.
01/02/09 @ 19:29
Comment from: Lynn [Visitor]
I live in Minnesota and we get a number of nights each year down to -20 degrees as well as a week or so of subzero highs. Last year we stopped using our enclosed chicken house in the winter and went to a type of open chicken tractor and were very pleased with the results. I have 3 pens that are set right next to each other. The top, north and half of the east and west sides of the pens are insulated and totally enclosed the rest is enclosed with cattle panels and chicken wire. When it starts to get really cold I set bales of hay to cover up the entire west and east sides and part of the southern sides. The doorway is always completely open. I do hang a trouble light in each pen since 9 hours of daylight just isn't enough. For water, I have a electric base that I set my waters on top of. The chicks and I were very happy with this set up. Clean up was great, I just moved the tractors at the end of the season.

Unfortunately this year I haven't had access to my lovely winter pens so my poor chicks have been stuck in their summer chicken tractors with just plastic tarps on the side and a wooden top. We had an unexpected cold snap that got down to minus 18 degrees and windy. They all survived (terrible egg production) except for one the low chick on the totem pole who refused to roost with everyone else. I set hay bales around the pens, and set it up like I did last year. Everyone is happy again. Wind seems to be a bigger issue than the actual air temp.
01/02/09 @ 21:12
Comment from: Janice [Visitor]
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Remarkably helpful, and timely, as I'm learning these same lessons just now with winter really setting in.

Just rounding out my first year of chicken raising here in NE Kansas, I dutifully insulated and sealed up my coop-extraordinaire, provided a milkhouse heater because we've already had two spells of week-long single-digit temps and 3-4" of snow and I didn't want frozen chickens. (Very odd for KS this early, yes.)

It took me awhile to learn effective anti-predator tactics, unfortunately, so I'm down to 2 roosters and three hens--buff orpington, red sex-link, and a white leghorn (all still laying one-a-day, along with the ducks!). They free-range all day, and I close them up at night to keep them from being eaten. Both roosters and the leghorn have large single combs, and all three now have frostbite, in spite of some vaseline, and keeping the coop above freezing.

So I'm beginning to understand the reason for the frostbite is not the cold temperature, really, but the humidity. I thought the coop had adequate ventilation, and it didn't seem damp to me, but clearly, that's the culprit. Interesting that "all the books" tell us to carefully seal up the cracks to prevent drafts, mention that adequate ventilation is required, but offer almost no details about how to seal cracks AND ventilate!

I'm convinced by this great writing of yours, Robert, and greatly appreciate your personal account here of the great open-sided-experiment! Tomorrow I'm opening up a good portion of the south side and will just put up wire mesh there. (Already I leave the large human-door open all day, but it's obviously not enough to dry the coop out properly. It's quite humid in Kansas anyway, but I forget that in the serious cold times.) So I'm thinking I'll gradually take down one portion at a time until that side is entirely wire mesh, and see how we do. (BTW, I've slathered the poor combs with antibiotic ointment, and both roosters are fine. The leghorn looks kind of pathetic, but seems fairly happy, eats well, and lays regularly.)

Interesting aside... I also have 7 guinea fowl, which originated in Africa, so of course ALL the books say they MUST be kept dry, and fairly warm. Well, they're a remarkably stubborn creature and once they're set in the trees for the evening, they're simply not coming in. Period. One night a couple weeks ago they insisted on roosting in the tree above the coop/yard in spite of heavy sleet turning to ice. I thought sure I'd come out to find them all frozen solid guinea statues, but instead they were running around (still believing there must be SOME ticks to eat somewhere!) They are quite hearty and healthy in spite of it. Perhaps a little less hard-headed, but I doubt it...

Thanks again for this great work. It's helping me and my birds tremendously!
01/02/09 @ 22:21
Comment from: Jill [Visitor] Email
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I too like this website and the helpful tips about the cold winter weather and chickens. I live in Iowa and we have had some very cold and snowy weather. I only have a few chickens, 8 laying hens, 1 big red rooster and about 10 bantams that wonder all over the neighborhood. Everyone is home to roost at night usually in the cold weather. I have an insulated house and use a heat lamp for 3 hours in the evening and 1 hour in the morning. My egg production went up once I started the heat lamp. I keep the food trays in the house full and I have a heated waterer in the house also. To avoid chick loss I shut the chickens in the house everynight and let them out in the morning.
It is fun to read how others take care of their chickens.
01/04/09 @ 07:34
Comment from: Terrie Webb [Visitor] Email
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My chickens have stopped laying since it has gotten cold and I don't understand why. Any suggestions.
01/05/09 @ 19:33
Comment from: Simone [Visitor]
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I live in Brooklyn NY and have 7 laying hens. The weather here is going to be very cold the next few days and I was thinking about putting a heat lamp in the coop overnight. I have an automatic chicken door, a heated waterer and my hens live in a coop that really was a kit I got at Lowes that was supposeto be a green house/ shed. I have been getting between 3 and four eggs a day and the hens go in and out as they please. Maybe after reading these posts I am thinking I really do not need that heat lamp later this week.
01/13/09 @ 19:25
Comment from: ANITA [Visitor]
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I came upon my leghorns from a school project and discovered that I LOVE my chickens! My questions are about their feet looking red in the cold temperatures, if the rooster will eventually attack me as his spur is getting longer, my one chicken coughs when I feed her dry food, and the black spots on the comb. I've got one rooster, two others were taken by a fox, and 9 hens. The chicken coop/run is now a fortress because we'd already lost two, with a nice long run so they have access to the ground. Lots of inside and outside purches. One of the hens, the smallest, seems to be last in the feeding order and frequently gets pecked. After isolating her at feeding time, she's got a nice comb, put on some weight and her tail feathers, which appeared to have been missing have come back. This has all been recreational but I enjoy them so much, I'd like to expand in the spring with more chickens. Do I make another fortress coop or put them with the existing flock. They are part-time free range as I have hawks sitting on the ground or in nearby trees during the day and other predators at night so they roam free when I'm outside and can keep an eye on them. Once while I was outside a group of vultures swirled around overhead and began getting closer and closer to us. It was freightening as I couldn't keep track of all of them to see if my chickens were being snatched up, luckily they all survived by hiding in the bushes.
Also, with the rooster around, I haven't been able to get the hens to allow me to pick them up. I can get close and they get close to me but when I reach for them, they go away. Any advise would be appreciated. Lovin' Leghorns!
02/05/09 @ 08:09
Comment from: John [Visitor]
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Living in Centeral Oregon where the temp goes to zero or below on a regular bases in the winter I am trying smaller enclosed coop with a covered pen. I am placing straw bales around three sides of the coop. I also leave a 100 watt light in the coop to ensure adequate light for them. The snow did freak them out, we found one hen outside but got her in time, so no loss. During the day we leave them out to wonder where ever. So far so good, temps have been in the high teens at night and low 40's in the day.
10/06/09 @ 07:28
Comment from: weez [Visitor]
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Thank you so much - I was undecided whether to get chickens now or wait till spring, but here in England it doesn't get nearly as cold, so I was worried for no reason. I knew they could survive an African winter, but it is good to know even in America you don't need fancy heating and insulation.
10/15/09 @ 21:36
Comment from: dianne bordieri [Visitor] Email
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Great info . Mychickens are near rice lake. My problem I go once a week. Will aquarium charcoal keep water fresher or is there anything you can suggest.Is light bulb better than water heater in pail? Last year plastic pail melted. Is eating snow harmful? Thank you. A while back I gave them away instead of stressing, I lost a good brooder, will or how can I get another from these?
10/16/09 @ 09:05
Comment from: Scott [Visitor] · http://www.ozarkbantams.com/
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Great site. Very informative!
10/18/09 @ 17:04
Comment from: Roy [Visitor] Email · http://www.ourhaxtunlife.com
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We have started a flock this summer. My wife grew up in the city so it has been an adventure for her. We have a cam for our blog in our chicken house, this morning you can see a little snow that blew in but the chickens and guinea fowl do fine with it. My parents had guineas when I was growing up but they lost most of them to an ice storm. We trained ours to come in with the chickens and so we don't have to worry about it. Good job, I look forward to following your adventures in farming.
10/21/09 @ 13:29
Comment from: sheeplady7 [Member] Email
Hi Robert,
I am wondering if you have any ideas for chicken producers who live in actually really cold climates. I live in Northern Alberta where we get -40C which is the same as -40F every year. We also get extended periods of time where it is around -20C. I don't know what that is in F except it is really cold. I want to have a feed made up at the feed mill but I am not really sure what to have in it. I don't like to buy the small bagged stuff because I don't know what is in it nor do I like the price. this is the 2nd year I've had hens through the winter and they seemed fine last year I would just like them to be better this year.
Thanks
Chris
11/18/09 @ 05:46
Comment from: Robert [Member] · http://www.plamondon.com
Chris,

My personal experience doesn't go below about +15F. According to the literature, chickens in reasonably windproof housing don't suffer until the temperature hits -20C or so.

Traditional wisdom is that heating the whole chicken house works, but is too expensive, and if you do it wrong the house tends to burn down (the chicken manure and ammonia tend to rot equipment, and feathers and straw are bad for fans and heating elements, etc.)

Grain and Exercise. The traditional method of keeping the hens warm is to have fluffy litter, usually of straw, and to scatter grain in the litter first thing in the morning and again before dark. In the daytime, the hens warm themselves through the exercise of hunting for the grain in the litter, and the grain provides the fuel to keep them warm. At night, the hens to to roost with a crop full of grain, which they digest throughout the night to provide readily available calories to keep them warm.

I haven't tried the following, but I suggest two methods of keeping the roosting area less frigid:

Aluminized bubble insulation above the roosting area This stuff goes by brand names like TekFoil and AstroFoil, and consists of a couple of layers of bubble wrap sandwiched with layers of aluminum foil. It reflects heat. Stapling this to the ceiling and back wall, above and behind the roosts, should make the area warmer.

Heated roosts. I've always meant to try this, but it's just not cold enough to be worth my while. Make roosts out of electrical conduit or galvanized pipe. Run heating cable down the inside of the pipe. Hook up to a thermal switch if the cable doesn't have one already. Plug in. In sub-freezing weather, the thermostat will turn on the heating cable, and the roosts (and the hens perched on them) will be warm.
11/18/09 @ 07:01
Comment from: Roy [Visitor] Email · http://www.ourhaxtunlife.com
Well our open air hens and guineas did just fine last night, it was down to -19 with a 15-20 mph wind, the wind chill was around -35. I do add some oil (black) sunflower to my scratch mix when it gets that cold, the oil give them a boost in energy. They will pass by all the other seeds to get the oilseeds first. My homemade water heater worked like a champ and so I know it is rated for at least -19.
12/09/09 @ 10:19
Comment from: Sue (England) [Visitor] Email
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I found your website when anxiously looking for advice about our 4 chickens - we have had them only 3 days and are experiencing an unusual cold snap with temperatures of -5 degrees celcius (which I think is around 23F - sounds really hot compared with what you are describing!). As the girls were Christmas presents for my 3 children we are keen for them to survive! Reading all this makes me think that we have nothing to worry about. I am just wondering where we can get hold of something to run up an open coop tomorrow - having of course just bought an expensive 'normal' one.

Oh well, you live and learn!

Greetings from the middle of the UK!
01/05/10 @ 13:06
Comment from: sue [Visitor]
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During very cold weather I heat up a housebrick & wrap it in an old towel. This I put in the hen's sleeping quarters to take the chill off overnight.
There is evidence that my hens snuggle up to the brick. Plenty of warm water & high enery foods seem to be keeping the girls going. They won't step on the snow & are content to stay in the run during the day - even when I clean the run & they could get outside...
01/07/10 @ 06:10
Comment from: trish [Visitor] Email
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we are awaiting our first chicks ever and I'm loving this site and all the input. We live in upstate NY near VT border-cold winters and would have closed up a coop way too much if not for finding your site, Robert. I love the hot brick idea. AS it is early spring, our first issues won't be cold but predators (hawks, coyotes, raccoons...) and preventing rats. We'll just use common sense on the latter and hope for the best but any advice appreciated from you more experienced types (we don't like rats)
03/28/10 @ 21:35

Neither a Sucker Nor a Charlatan Be

by Robert

To misquote Polonius, "Neither a sucker nor a charlatan be." People spend a lot of their lives deluding themselves, often spending vast amounts of money in the process. Don't do that.

There's good money catering to suckers. Being a charlatan pays. You help them along with their happy delusion, and they'll love you for it. Don't do that, either. It's dumb to sucker yourself, but it's loathsome to sucker other people.

When I started out at the farmer's market, I didn't fully understand this. Customers wanted to project their suckerdom onto me. Okay, fine, it's a free country, but the bad thing is that I really felt the pull of their expectations. I wanted to nod my head when they talked about organic certification when, in fact, I think that the organic movement is a hollow shell (besides, I don't join things that want me to fill out more than two sheets of paper per lifetime.) I wanted to agree with them when they said that raising eggs the way I do is VERY IMPORTANT. Come on, let's get real. Much as I like the whole process, free-range eggs do not peg the Important-O-Meter.

I even felt that I was letting the team down by openly drinking diet sodas.

Well, this spasm didn't last very long. I'm used to being an authentic eccentric, and I reverted to form pretty quickly. I don't even bother concealing the McDonald's bag if that's what I'm having for breakfast.

Which has worked out pretty well. The fact is, a couple of color photographs with chickens, green grass, blue sky, and fluffy clouds are better than political correctness anyway. (Especially if there are also little kids in overalls.) Consumers know that they're constantly being suckered, so it can come as a relief to them when you show 'em a little reality. It doesn't work on all of them -- look at all the suckers who are buying bottled tap water because they don't trust tap water -- but reality-based marketing has enough appeal that you don't have to be a con man if you don't want to.

Of course, the product has to be good, too. Real free-range eggs off a green pasture look good (with dark yolks) and taste good. People who start off thinking that my farm is just a scammy way of getting five bucks a dozen get converted after trying them.

This is where the organic biz has fallen down on the job. If you grow the same old crops but leave out the chemicals, you get the same old produce. It doesn't look or taste any better, but it costs a lot more. How much fear of chemicals must a consumer muster to buy produce that isn't worth a second glance otherwise?

The local organic growers are starting to distance themselves from the organic movement because all the supermarkets are full of boring organic produce from out of state. So they grow better-tasting and more interesting varieties, leveraging the fact that they are extremely skilled farmers who care a lot about food. One local farm has opened a restaurant! They aren't afraid of low-grade organic produce from Mexico. Sure, the same people who buy bottled tap water will buy low-grade organic produce, but these folks aren't paying enough attention to be captured by a high-class vendor anyway.

So my advice, as both a consumer and a producer, is to see trends as a warning sign and be extra careful. If you find yourself repeating what people expect you to say, you're doing it wrong. And if you shell out big bucks to buy what other people are buying, you're really doing it wrong!

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The Extended-Run UPS Trick

by Robert

For those of you who know how to mess around safely with car batteries and other high-amperage/low-voltage applications, here's an interesting one (please note the warning below!:

APC makes an extended-run UPS called the Smart-UPS XL, which supports external battery packs. The ones I have (Smart-UPS XL 1000) are a 24V system, which means that the internal batteries and the external battery packs are all 24V. The external battery packs and replacement batteries are expensive.

So when my batteries gave up the ghost, I wondered what would happen if I replaced the 20 amp-hour gel-cell batteries with 100 amp-hour RV batteries, which were cheaper in spite of having five times the capacity.

Using a battery connector from a spare/dead battery pack (you can also scavenge them from most dead APC batteries), I wired up two new RV batteries in series and plugged them into the expansion pack connector. Result? Greatly extended run time, as expected.

The batteries have been in use for five years now and have been slowly losing capacity. It's about time to replace them. Five years is what I got from the APC batteries when the units were new. (By the way, this really does mean that an APC UPS will last more than ten years if you replace the batteries.)

Now, RV batteries are deep-cycle versions of car batteries, which means that they outgas hydrogen and need topping off, so use them in a well-ventilated area. Also, since they're full of sulfuric acid, they are a little harsh on the surrounding area, as you know if you've ever looked at the area around the battery in an old car. Thirdly, gel cells use a slightly higher charging voltage than flooded-cell batteries, so water evaporates out of the battery faster than it should, and you need to top the cells off several times a year with distilled water.

All of these problems would be solved by using gel-cell batteries instead of the cheaper flooded-cell batteries. Good maintenance-free batteries would help but would not solve the problem.

I have also tried this trick on two Pacific Power Vanguard 1200 UPS systems, systems that I got for almost nothing years ago. Converting these was trickier because I had to open up the units and add external battery cables. The APC Smart-UPS XL is the only line that I know of with a convenient external battery connector. The Vanguard overcharges more than the APC, and was generally much less satisfactory.

I'd stick to Smart-UPS XL units for this trick if I were you, but if you ignore this advice, one thing to look for is a UPS with a cooling fan inside. I think that some of the short-duration UPS systems expect to run out of battery power before they have time to overheat, and thus would be lousy candidates for having their battery life extended.

Tip for anyone who would rather do things more conventionally: replacement batteries are very heavy and expensive to ship. Ask at your local car-supply stores and battery shops if they can get what you want. They get daily delivery by truck anyway, and the shipping should be free (ask). This will save you beaucoup bucks.

Tip #2: The world is full of low-quality gel-cell batteries that are shipped halfway around the world just to fail immediately in your UPS. If you buy them locally, you'll probably get a warranty that means something. Ask. If you have to ship them back, the shipping alone will kill you. I know that APC batteries are good, and I think that ABC batteries are also good.

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