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by Robert

Mother Earth News has picked up another of my blog postings to carry on their site: Brooding Chicks in Winter. I must say that I admire their taste!

Everyone knows that the brooding period is by far the most critical time of a chicken's life. And it's important that they do more than stay alive -- they have to thrive, or they'll have problems later in life.

Imagine how heartbreaking it is to not only have baby chicks die during the brooding period, but for the survivors to do poorly later on. Or, even worse, for children to have this experience. I wrote my book, Success With Baby Chicks, so that imagining this heartbreak is as close as you'll ever get. What you'll experience is success, with frisky chickens living the happy chicken life and all the good feelings and enjoyment that this will bring.

I do this in a clear, easy-to-follow, unpadded 150-page book. Major publishers think that consumers want bulk, and pad out their books with filler, but I respect your time and stick to the point -- ensuring your success and enjoyment. Because you're sitting at your computer right now and reading my chicken-oriented blog, you know that the book is a good match for you -- and you want to read it before you get your first chicks of the season, so you'll be ready.

You want it on your reference shelf, too. I reread the book from time to time myself, since I sometimes forget the fine points and need to refresh my memory.

And then that faint feeling of dread that some people feel when they order baby chicks -- will they be all right? -- will be replaced with well-founded confidence. Or so my fan mail claims. So order your copy today -- it can't help you until you read it.


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Comment from: Joan Smye [Visitor]
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Your book success with baby chicks is wonderful,i am new to keeping chickens,so far the ten day old chicks i bought a month ago are doing very well,one of them even pulled herself up as if to attack me when i put the food in the cage.I am so glad i found your website
01/31/10 @ 13:13

It's Not Too Late For Fall Brooding

by Robert

Fall brooding is at least as easy as spring brooding, and maybe easier. The weather is usually drier. The season is winding down, so there are fewer demands on your time. And there's plenty of time for the chickens to become fully feathered and completely winter-hardy before the nasty weather sets in.

Pullet chicks brooded in October will be in full lay by April.

Mostly, fall brooding is just like spring brooding. If you've been brooding all summer long, you'll need to drop your warm-weather habits and remember how you did things in early spring.

Some tips:

  • Many hatcheries hatch year-round, but the off-season selection is smaller: mostly commercial strains. That's okay. Buy your high-producing hybrids in the fall, and your exotic breeds in the spring.
  • When in doubt, buy from Privett Hatchery in Portales, NM. I buy all my chicks there. Mostly Red Sex-Links, but their Barred Rocks are very nice birds.
  • Take a good look at your brooder before the chicks arrive. If you're using heat lamps, always use two or more, never just one. You can get heat lamps as small as 100W, or you can use floodlight bulbs instead of heat lamps, so you can use more bulbs without using more electricity. (I've stopped using 250w bulbs. Too hot. Two 125w heat lamps or 150w floodlights are better.)
  • Remember to use a brooder guard this time, even if it was too hot in the summer.
  • Beware of rats. Fall is a good time to replenish your bait stations (I like the big weatherproof Eaton Rat Fortress bait stations). Yes, I know poison isn't nice, but having rats eat your baby chicks is far worse.
  • Have a plan for dealing with the chicks when they get big. Don't assume that you'll magically come up with a winter henhouse for a group of chicks once they outgrow the brooder house. Winter construction projects need advance planning. At a minimum, plan to keep the chicks in the brooder house, and allow two square feet per chick.
  • If you need to bould a new henhouse for your new flock, read Fresh-Air Poultry Houses, the only book that gets the basics of chicken-house construction right.
  • If the chicks are going to be confined most of the winter, buy a non-cannibalistic strain of chicken. Crowding tends to bring on outbreaks of cannibalism, while free range tends to cure them -- but range often isn't available in the winter unless you're in a mild or hot climate.
  • Last but not least, buy a copy of my book, Success With Baby Chicks, which goes into all the considerations very thoroughly.



All of which makes a long and slightly intimidating list, but when you do things by the numbers, your fall brooding will go like clockwork. Try it and see!

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"brooder guard " ??????

what did you mean by brooder guard.....I as also curious about protecting the chicks from direct touching the lamps ?...is it safe for them ?

Thanks,
Fely-Philippines
10/13/09 @ 16:12
Comment from: Debbie Galle [Visitor] Email · http://www.LifeIsGoodFarm.com
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I am really glad to see your post about fall chicks. I am getting a couple more batches soon. I didn't know about the smaller lights. Thanks for enlightening me!

My very first chicks came on Oct 1, 2008. I didn't know any different. I wanted what I wanted and just did it after reading your "Success with Baby Chicks" book and "The Dollar Hen". I got 200 that month. They all did great! Since then, I have raised over 600 more. I really enjoy the fall chicks the best.

I can't wait for the farming season to slow down a bit so I can read more of your books! I study something about chickens, turkeys, or other farm related EVERY day, but I want to read a whole book.

Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge and wisdom with us!
10/13/09 @ 17:24
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I remember when I was still young, I would help my dad to raise chicks called Saso. These breed of chicken are pretty easy to raise and feed. Thank you for sharing such an interesting and informative article. - Pinoy
01/13/10 @ 18:36
Comment from: Pinoy Pride [Visitor] · http://pinoy-pride.com/
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I definitely love reading your insight and learning from your blogsite. Thank you for the interesting and informative article. - Pinoy Pride
01/19/10 @ 12:00
Comment from: Tracy [Visitor]
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We use a brooder just like the one pictured in this article. We live in Wisconsin. We start our babies in April, May, and June. We seem to lose a lot in our April batch. I just read that you use two 125 watt bulbs. Is that in a brooder like the one shown?
03/26/10 @ 12:24

How To Build a Better Brooder House

by Robert

We have one nice brooder house (the milk house next to our old dairy barn) and two horrible old ones that are supposed to be pasture houses, but were pressed into service more or less at random.

We're replacing the two horrible old houses with one big new one, building it on a pair of concrete slabs that have been here for decades (which, oddly, touch each other but are not at the same level.) Here are a couple of pictures of the brooder house under construction:

You can see the horrible old brooder houses in the background of the second picture.

Features of interest:

  • We're using three courses of concrete blocks to make the house rat-proof and rot-proof, even with more than a foot of deep litter on the floor. This is essential. Not that we have a rat problem all the time, but even "once in a while" is way too often.
  • We found a four-foot-wide exterior door, which makes it easier to get a wheelbarrow into the place.
  • The three windows wouldn't provide anywhere near enough ventilation for a henhouse, but this is used solely as a brooder house, with the chicks removed to pasture houses once they no longer need heat. Smaller openings are adequate. (See Fresh-Air Poultry Houses for a complete treatment of this topic.
  • A brooder house can be designed so it can be used later as a shed or studio or whatever kind of outbuilding strikes your fancy. In this case, the two-level floor would be a bit of a nuisance, but that could be fixed with more concrete.
  • It's as close to our house as we can reasonably make it. It's good to be able to hear a commotion in the brooder house without going all the way out to the back forty.
  • We'll be insulating the roof. This isn't strictly necessary in a well-ventilated brooder house, but is a nice touch.

[Here's a brooder house update, showing the house in a nearly-finished state and giving some more helpful hints.]

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Comment from: Carolyn Sandler [Visitor] Email
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I love this site - every month very usable information even for those of us who have a backyard farm in town!
09/30/09 @ 09:13

Rule of Thumb for Brooding Day-Old Chicks

by Robert

Here's another good old-time rule that most people have forgotten:

"The floor of the brooder must be warm and dry to the touch before you add chicks."

If the baby chicks get chilled as soon as you take them out of the shipping box, bad things happen. They lose the desire to eat and drink, and sometimes the ability to move, if they're chilled. Cold or damp litter is enough to chill them.

Usually you should turn on the brooder the day before the chicks arrive. This is no time to try to reduce energy consumption.

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Comment from: DennisP [Visitor]
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Thanks for that comment. That's a point I haven't seen mentioned in any of the books I've been looking at and I would never have thought of it on my own. You may have just saved some of my chicks, scheduled to arrive the first of next month.
05/02/09 @ 01:42

Thinking About Chicks

by Robert

I've spent a good part of my life thinking about chicks -- by which, for the moment at least, I mean "baby chickens." It's just about the new year, which means that hatchery catalogs will start arriving in the mailbox any day now.

One thing I've been doing over the last few years is popularizing the insulated electric lamp brooder developed by the Ohio Experiment Station in the Forties. I have their paper on it here, and I devote two chapters to it in my book, Success With Baby Chicks. It's done us proud over the years and I routinely get fan mail about the design. Check it out. Your chicks will be warmer and you'll use less electricity, and the whole shebang only takes a couple of hours to knock together.

Another trick I'm fond of is using the little quart-jar waterers, but with narrow-mouth glass canning jars instead of the horrible plastic jars the feed store wants to sell you. Glass jars glint like water, and you can watch the baby chicks wander over and peck at the glass a couple of times before finding the actual water. Also, the plastic jars are hard to clean, and they're not clear enough to see when they've gone empty. Just buy the bases and leave the plastic jars alone.

I don't like bigger waterers (gallon waterers, say), because they have too much water area and day old chicks get soaked, then chilled. The quart-jar waterers are tiny enough that this pretty much doesn't happen.

If you're wondering about what kind of breed to buy, try one of the brown-egg commercial hybrids if you haven't already. Not only do they lay a lot more eggs, but they do this largely by laying in the off-season. If you've found yourself having to buy eggs at the store in the fall and winter, a handful of commercial layers should fix this. My personal favorite is the Red Sex-Link from Privett Hatchery in Portales, NM. They are just about as docile as Barred Rocks but lay a lot better.

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Comment from: Scot [Visitor]
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while my brooding technique differs i am a fan of the glass quarts. all of my bases are antique metal ones obtained from a neighbor and various sales. they are quite easy to clean and seem to last a lifetime or two. i agree with this post completely other than choice of chicks. my personal preference has leaned toward black australorps over the last several years. my experience is they are very hardy through heat and cold lay well year round are good foragers and are a good looking chicken. in the warmer months very little supplemental grain is used, i have to watch or it just lays around. i tried layer mash in winter they would not touch it at all. my girls will follow me around like the dog does and so far all cocks have been well mannered.
02/09/09 @ 14:29

Are Expensive Hatcheries the Cheapest?

by Robert

Suppose you bought 100 pullets from the lowest-price hatchery you could find, and 100 pullets from an expensive hatchery. What do you think the results would be?

I don't know if anyone has tried this recently, but I found this very experiment in an old British poultry magazine. The results went like this:

The box from the expensive hatchery had more chicks in it (something like 106), and they were all alive. The chicks were energetic and did very well during the brooder period. The order was for pullets, and what was delivered were pullets.

The box from the cheap hatchery had no extra chicks in it. Some of the chicks were dead. The chicks were did less well during the brooder period. Many of the pullets were really cockerels.

(I wish I hadn't lost the reference to the article, because I'd like to quote it directly, but you get the idea.)

So what's up with that? The explanation goes like this: Suppose you're running a hatchery, but you're not very good at it, and you get complaints about quality. You need more money to put the kids through college. You have two choices:

  • Clean up your act and produce a product that can compete with the best.
  • Lower your prices to attract cheapskates. Cheapskates ignore quality and buy solely on price.

On the other hand, suppose you run the best hatchery anywhere, but profits are disappointing and you need more money to put the kids through college. Your choices are:

  • Find more sources of efficiency so you can make enough money to live on without raising prices.
  • Raise prices.

The difference between the options at the two hatcheries will eventually mean that the crummy hatcheries are all cheap and the good ones are all expensive.

Take-way: never buy from the low-price leader. It's not just that cheap chicks are more expensive in the long run, it's that it's so depressing to have them die on you. You should insure yourself against disappointment by buying quality chicks.

Actually, the best thing to do is to ask around and see where the most successful local poultry folks buy their baby chicks. If you're raising show birds, ask the show-bird raisers, since the commercial guys won't know, and vice versa.

I always buy from Privett Hatchery in Portales NM, since in my opinion they're the best hatchery in the West. I've tried 'em all, and their commercial-quality layers are very good. I use Phinney Hatchery in Walla Walla as my backup hatchery. I'm less familiar with hatcheries in other parts of the country, but I know that there are good ones and bad ones. Probably most of the well-known ones are good ones: Murray McMurray Hatchery, Ideal Hatchery, Stromberg's, Moyer's, Belt.


I go into this topic (plus many more) in my book, Success With Baby Chicks. If you don't have a copy, you should. I went through an enormous amount of source material and tried all sorts of different techniques before I wrote the book, all aimed at keeping your baby chicks happy and healthy, giving you that wonderful baby-chick experience that's what attracts us to poultrykeeping in the first place. I can guarantee that it will be worth purchasing, even if you're an experienced poultrykeeper. And that goes double for beginners, because there's a lot to learn, if you don't get good results with your first batch of chicks, the heartbreak of letting down the baby birds who are so dependent on you will likely leave you discouraged, and you might never try again.

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Comment from: Cathy [Visitor]
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We're on the East Coast and the best we've found is McMurray Hatchery and Mt. Healthy Hatcheries. As you state above they aren't the cheapest but the chicks have always been vigorous on delivery and I can count on one hand the number we have lost during brooding. We have tried cheaper places as well and have experienced the same things you mention - unhealthy and dead chicks on arrival and higher losses during brooding.
07/25/08 @ 10:16
Comment from: M Brock [Visitor]
You mentioned Phinney Hatchery as your back up. Do you have any contact information for this place. I find reference to them all over the net, but no website. Any help would be appreciated.
Thank you
01/02/09 @ 20:41
Comment from: Robert [Member] · http://www.plamondon.com
I don't think Phinney has a Web site. Any Google search will show you their phone number and address.
01/02/09 @ 20:49
Comment from: Kelly [Visitor] · http://www.kellys-stuff.com/chick
I ordered from Murray McMurray many times and out of hundreds of chicks I received one that died a few days after arrival.

I ordered this year from Mt. Healthy and received mostly dead chicks. They are sending a second order because of this. They arrived right in the middle of a heat wave in the Midwest.

I am hoping this was the problem anyway. They said they were sending the second order so I assume it is on the way. I have no idea how it will turn out.

I posted just to say after many orders at the Murray McMurray hatchery, I never had a problem with them.
05/27/09 @ 17:36
Comment from: Kelly [Visitor] Email · http://www.kellys-stuff.com/chick
I received a mostly dead order from Mt. Healthy this year also. I also out of many years with Murray McMurray had one chick die several days after I received them. I assumed it was probably the tubes that allow them to eat drying out in the incubator that caused the death.

I can't be sure of this but it was one out of many years of ordering from them.

Do yourself a favor and get them from Murray McMurray.

In defense of Mt. Healthy, they also sent me a new order the following week so their customer service is top notch, but I did have that bad experience. Strange that it matches the person above.
10/29/09 @ 19:21
Comment from: cccchickenman [Member] Email
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Can't wait to try hatcheries you recommended Thanks
I have 17 "PET"hens,DOB 05/01/09 7 Buff Orps, 5 RIR, 3 Bar Rox, 2 EE 1-Barred Roc Rooster, would like to add: Black Australops Welsummers, Cuckoo Marans, and Salmon Favorelles, Need 4H project birds also
11/23/09 @ 08:39
Comment from: Glenda B [Visitor]
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Another good one to try is in Missouri. That's Cackle Hatchery. They have a website and strong chicks.
01/13/10 @ 19:26